Ellis Rimmer Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 0wl18 said: Dean Henderson is a good goalkeeper there’s no doubt about it. Is he better than De Gea? No. is he better than Arrizabalaga? No. People are getting caught up on the mistakes the likes of Arrizabalaga and De Gea are making. Some are glaringly obvious errors which are happenening purely due to a lack of concentration. Chelsea’s 2nd goal is a prime example. What nobody seems to look at is the fundamentals. De Gea more often than not makes the game look simple. He saves the shots you’d expect him to save. When he makes a mistake it’s a glaringly obvious error which, usually is a result of poor concentration. Other goalkeepers, the likes of Henderson, Nick Pope, Dubravka, all good keepers and, very rarely make an obvious error however, I’d argue they concede more goals where you’d think ‘The keeper should do better’. Is he better than De Gea this season? Yes Is he better than Kepa outright? Definitely-shocking keeper at this level. I'm astounded you could say that about him Edited July 21, 2020 by Ellis Rimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) There is a bit difference between being a good goalkeeper for a lower end/mid-table PL club and being the goalkeeper for one of the top, elite PL clubs. Different mindset, whole different level of pressure and in someways a different skill set. When you are in goal for a top side, you may have games where there is very little to do and then suddenly you'll be called into making a world class save. When you are playing lower down the table you are more likely to be peppered with shots throughout the 90 minutes. You also need a big personality and to be mentally tough. If you look at Man United, only Van Der Sar and De Gea (until his recent meltdown) have manged to fill the gloves of big Schmeichel. Everyone else, came up short, many of whom were very good goalkeepers. Edited July 21, 2020 by SiJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Man Utd should give Lee Grant the gloves until the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefieldowl Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, ANDY said: The funny thing is they will get absolutely zilch for him too. Lose "their" best player for nothing..... i think man u might give him a go next year tho....... Edited July 21, 2020 by wakefieldowl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, SiJ said: There is a bit difference between being a good goalkeeper for a lower end/mid-table PL club and being the goalkeeper for one of the top, elite PL clubs. Different mindset, whole different level of pressure and in someways a different skill set. When you are in goal for a top side, you may have games where there is very little to do and then suddenly you'll be called into making a world class save. When you are playing lower down the table you are more likely to be peppered with shots throughout the 90 minutes. You also need a big personality and to be mentally tough. If you look at Man United, only Van Der Sar and De Gea (until his recent meltdown) have manged to fill the gloves of big Schmeichel. Everyone else, came up short, many of whom were very good goalkeepers. Fabian Barthez, Roy Carroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Socialist_Owl said: Fabian Barthez, Roy Carroll Tim Howard, Mark Bosnich, Ben Foster and so on. No denying Henderson's talent, but just because he's thrived at Shef U doesn't mean he's nailed onto be a massive success at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Truth be told, I think he has a bit of the Joe Hart/Jordan Pickford about him in terms of personality. Bit of a big mouth with an ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 They were talking about Henderson on the radio last night and they reckon Man U want him back for next season. DeGea is making too many mistakes and Hendersons stock is rising. Said maybe it's time to give DeGea a rest if only to focus his mind a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 hours ago, SiJ said: Tim Howard, Mark Bosnich, Ben Foster and so on. No denying Henderson's talent, but just because he's thrived at Shef U doesn't mean he's nailed onto be a massive success at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Truth be told, I think he has a bit of the Joe Hart/Jordan Pickford about him in terms of personality. Bit of a big mouth with an ego. Thats how I see him , especially that last para Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Don’t care where he goes, as long as he goes. Been a massively important player for them for three seasons. They simply won’t be able to replace him. A similar keeper would cost a fortune so they have to look lower or gamble on another youngster and they surely can’t be that lucky again. Can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 12 hours ago, wakefieldowl said: The funny thing is they will get absolutely zilch for him too. Lose "their" best player for nothing..... i think man u might give him a go next year tho....... Some strange logic in here. Why would United expect to get anything for Henderson when he isn't 'their' player, as you point out? And if we are sticking a monetary value on it, well he has helped them get to a top 10 PL spot, so that in itself has already upped the coffers for them significantly next season. A big loss for them to be sure, but that back 3 of theirs, and the way their whole team defends from the front made his job significantly easier. Stick him in that carcrash Chelsea defence, and I think we may see him having a very different season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 9 hours ago, SiJ said: Tim Howard, Mark Bosnich, Ben Foster and so on. No denying Henderson's talent, but just because he's thrived at Shef U doesn't mean he's nailed onto be a massive success at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Truth be told, I think he has a bit of the Joe Hart/Jordan Pickford about him in terms of personality. Bit of a big mouth with an ego. I would agree with a lot of that, and I think ManU will want him to prove his metal in Europe next, but not with a top PL competitor. The only reason ManU loaned him out to the Pigs again was because they never expected them to be pushing so highly, noone did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 53 minutes ago, Plonk said: Don’t care where he goes, as long as he goes. Been a massively important player for them for three seasons. They simply won’t be able to replace him. A similar keeper would cost a fortune so they have to look lower or gamble on another youngster and they surely can’t be that lucky again. Can they? They've just signed Wes Foderingham, a 29 year old from Rangers. See what Wilder can do with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Pigs will probably end up going out and getting Joe Hart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, Django said: Pigs will probably end up going out and getting Joe Hart Odd one Joe Hart. There must still be a decent keeper in him, maybe just needs to run of games and confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, Django said: Pigs will probably end up going out and getting Joe Hart I don’t think Jack Butland would be a bad shout. Decent keeper who seems to have lost his way in recent years, the sort of challenge Wilder seems to go for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea Baggins Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, TrickyTrev said: I don’t think Jack Butland would be a bad shout. Decent keeper who seems to have lost his way in recent years, the sort of challenge Wilder seems to go for. This would be an ideal move for both to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Django said: Pigs will probably end up going out and getting Joe Hart Good his best years are behind him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 If I were them i'd be going for Tim Kruhl or get Ramsdale back from Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Wilder has a knack of getting players to play above the level most people would say they're capable of. A lot of this is by having them work harder than their opposite number. Obviously it doesn't always work but hard work beats talent a lot of the time as the old adage goes. But different when it comes to goalkeeping though. You're either a good enough keeper or you're not. No amount of fitness and work and desire can make up for your lack of skill. If they've got any sense they will employ the best keeper they can afford as wilder can't work his voodoo on a keeper as much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Skyline said: Odd one Joe Hart. There must still be a decent keeper in him, maybe just needs to run of games and confidence. Strange what happened with him. Went from been at the peak of his powers to on Burnley’s bench in the space of a couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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