Beholder Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I know this opinion won't be popular on here but looking beyond the obvious knee jerk "Bruce is a snake" narrative, why would a manager jump ship from a club where he is loved by the fans to a club where he is already hated and are favourites to be relegated? A club with a well known toxic atmosphere... Because they are his boyhood club? Not buying it. I'm more inclined to believe that Bruce was unhappy at Wednesday. We already know he had showdown talks with DC about refusing to sell players. We already know he couldn't buy players. It came out on one of the earlier twitter rumours about his departure that the chairman let him down in terms of promises given. If we were in a position to get up I don't see him jumping ship. I know this post will accumulate negs from all the usuals but it's not an opinion currently being aired on this forum which is why it should be discussed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Beholder said: I know this opinion won't be popular on here but looking beyond the obvious knee jerk "Bruce is a snake" narrative, why would a manager jump ship from a club where he is loved by the fans to a club where he is already hated and are favourites to be relegated? A club with a well known toxic atmosphere... Because they are his boyhood club? Not buying it. I'm more inclined to believe that Bruce was unhappy at Wednesday. We already know he had showdown talks with DC about refusing to sell players. We already know he couldn't buy players. It came out on one of the earlier twitter rumours about his departure that the chairman let him down in terms of promises given. If we were in a position to get up I don't see him jumping ship. I know this post will accumulate negs from all the usuals but it's not an opinion currently being aired on this forum which is why it should be discussed. Do we ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie Birdsworth Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I don't really think anyone begrudges him going to Newcastle. its the way he's gone about it that has made people so angry.. its that simple. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Duran Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The squad as it is right now - is capable of top 6 this season.. if we don't get a injury crisis. Bruce never gave it a chance did he.. fair enough at xmas if we was floundering and he can't bring anybody in then he may have had reason too. We have cleared some deadwood - bought in some pace and drive. DC might not be refusing to sell players, just not receiving the right bids / value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple O Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Beholder said: I know this opinion won't be popular on here but looking beyond the obvious knee jerk "Bruce is a snake" narrative, why would a manager jump ship from a club where he is loved by the fans to a club where he is already hated and are favourites to be relegated? A club with a well known toxic atmosphere... Because they are his boyhood club? Not buying it. I'm more inclined to believe that Bruce was unhappy at Wednesday. We already know he had showdown talks with DC about refusing to sell players. We already know he couldn't buy players. It came out on one of the earlier twitter rumours about his departure that the chairman let him down in terms of promises given. If we were in a position to get up I don't see him jumping ship. I know this post will accumulate negs from all the usuals but it's not an opinion currently being aired on this forum which is why it should be discussed. I'll be the first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzuki_San Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Bruce knew the score from the beginning. 'There is no budget'. There were no surprises here. He said time and time again, he'd release a few, keep a few, sign 3-4 and then loan. Nothing has happened to show that has changed at all. Twitter rumours? Really?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Was wondering who'd be the first to blame Chansiri. Congrats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 How anyone can lay the blame of this shítshow onto the Chairman is quite frankly beyond me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Uniform Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Beholder said: I know this opinion won't be popular on here but looking beyond the obvious knee jerk "Bruce is a snake" narrative, why would a manager jump ship from a club where he is loved by the fans to a club where he is already hated and are favourites to be relegated? A club with a well known toxic atmosphere... Because they are his boyhood club? Not buying it. I'm more inclined to believe that Bruce was unhappy at Wednesday. We already know he had showdown talks with DC about refusing to sell players. We already know he couldn't buy players. It came out on one of the earlier twitter rumours about his departure that the chairman let him down in terms of promises given. If we were in a position to get up I don't see him jumping ship. I know this post will accumulate negs from all the usuals but it's not an opinion currently being aired on this forum which is why it should be discussed. He was courting Newcastle, a month ago. This wasnt about unrest. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twolaptops Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Whatever........who knows.....it's happened....he's gone.................f**k him.............................................we move on !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyCraig Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I don't think it matters how many arrows you fire to try to fracture the current goodwill between the Chairman and Fans. We're solid without Bruce. Good season comining. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSWFC Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 But we did sign players under him, and other members of staff. Also, if he did leave due to broken promises from the chairman, he must be the biggest moron in the world to then sign under Ashley! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) Chansiri has a very hands on approach, Bruce probably wanted to get on with the job with no interference from above. At Newcastle, although Ashley is hardly the nicest man to work for, he’s so far removed from Newcastle he probably couldn’t even name 5 of his players. Plus a rumoured 90m to spend or a transfer embargo? Edited July 18, 2019 by SallyCinnamon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Shutt is God Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Bruce new the situation regarding money as he mentioned in a documented interview, other than a rumour on the internet there are no solid facts he had showdown talks with Chansiri. He has a history of taking a dump from a great height on previous clubs, the way I see it he fancied the Newcastle job in the Premier League and did whatever it took to get it not caring on the impact it would have on us. He has gone about it in a disgusting manner and that is what our fans are angry about. If he had come out and said look I want to manage Newcastle before I retire and this will be my last opportunity and I know its leaving Wednesday in the lurch and they have treated me well then our fans would not react like they are to him. As it stands he is coming across as a liar and a man of very low morals who just looks after himself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Think basically a Premier League Club came calling and 90% of time a player or manager will go. Bruce probably saw it as probably his last chance to be a manager in that league and didn't mind upsetting a few people to take it. Realistically I am not sure what Wednesday could have done differently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Let's have a look at the facts shall we; - He knew about the P&S situation - he talked about it during his first interview, and during many interviews since - He's been allowed to bring in his own staff - Clemence, Agnew, Strudwick, Downes and Hughs - He's signed 3 players this pre-season and a contract sorted for Westwood, Palmer and presumably Lee - Chansiri has sorted the financial side.... So what bit would he be unhappy about? If he says he's unhappy with the P&S stuff, then it's a lame excuse given the above facts. Stop believing the Bruce PR machine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: Think basically a Premier League Club came calling and 90% of time a player or manager will go. Bruce probably saw it as probably his last chance to be a manager in that league and didn't mind upsetting a few people to take it. Realistically I am not sure what Wednesday could have done differently. Agreed. As others have said it's the way he's gone about it. At least be a man and own your situation. Time to move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmb Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Unreal this. How much more evidence do people need to see Steve Bruce for what he is?! He has jumped ship multiple times throughout his career. He was fully aware of the financial situation when he arrived at the club. The chairman has done whatever possible this summer to alleviate that situation (admittedly he could have avoided it by selling players). Our chairman gave Steve Bruce as much freedom as possible in the transfer market. Do you really think domestic signings like Odubajo and Harris were suggested from elsewhere? Also Aaron and Lazzaar for that matter? Time to close the book on this now and for everyone to accept that Steve Bruce did what he thought was best for him without any regard for this football club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Beholder said: I know this post will accumulate negs from all the usuals but it's not an opinion currently being aired on this forum which is why it should be discussed. I said something similar in some lost bruce thread. I think one of the reasons he left is; he's not confident we will be challenging for promotion this season. However, he knew what he was walking into when he came. He overestimated our chances. The Newcastle job was a convenient excuse to jump ship, imho. ......... “We’ve got a long road ahead but there are some good players here who have probably been underperforming. I asked the chairman about the budget and he said there isn’t one, so we all know where we stand. I know the club has been operating under financial fair play restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, bigdan2003 said: Let's have a look at the facts shall we; - He knew about the P&S situation - he talked about it during his first interview, and during many interviews since - He's been allowed to bring in his own staff - Clemence, Agnew, Strudwick, Downes and Hughs - He's signed 3 players this pre-season and a contract sorted for Westwood, Palmer and presumably Lee - Chansiri has sorted the financial side.... So what bit would he be unhappy about? If he says he's unhappy with the P&S stuff, then it's a lame excuse given the above facts. Stop believing the Bruce PR machine.... Some people on here will believe any old pony if it gives them an opportunity to give the Chairman a shoeing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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