pazowl55 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jim said: Expecting the usual reactions to this post like ‘we shouldn’t have broke the rules’ ‘Chansiri’s this, Chansiri’s that’ but we got well and truly shafted by the EFL IMO? All you ever hear is -9points here, -9 points there, even clubs negotiating the extent of their punishments? Yet we get hit with -12 points straight at the start of last season (granted this became -6 on appeal) but to start at a massive advantage right at the start well and truly f**ked us over? Neither Derby or Reading are going to find themselves in that position. I’d like to bet Derby’s possible relegation will only be down to the likely points deduction for entering administration? Think they are learning on the job ain't they. The 9 they are trying to get them to both accept will be so they don't reduce it to 6 on appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 reading have tiny crowds yet 40 million wage bill . could be upto 10 ex premier league clubs in league 1 next season . the league 1 will be known as the football graveyard , if we dont get out this season which at the min we might as well be 100-1 shots it will become extremely difficult to get out over the coming seasons , reading derby etc more will join thats a certainty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, yeadonowl said: Not sustainable with average crowds of 13000 though The customers money counts for nothing 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Repperton Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, morganowl said: reading have tiny crowds yet 40 million wage bill . could be upto 10 ex premier league clubs in league 1 next season . the league 1 will be known as the football graveyard , if we dont get out this season which at the min we might as well be 100-1 shots it will become extremely difficult to get out over the coming seasons , reading derby etc more will join thats a certainty Wednesday would struggle to get out of league 1 if there were three teams promoted and there were only two other teams!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Jim said: All you ever hear is -9points here, -9 points there, even clubs negotiating the extent of their punishments? Yet we get hit with -12 points straight at the start of last season (granted this became -6 on appeal) but to start at a massive advantage right at the start well and truly f**ked us over? No doubt. We were massively hamstrung when trying to recruit last summer, as none of the better players in the division would have wanted to join a club starting on minus 12, and so we had to try to make do with a motley crew of outcasts and cast-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut_rooster Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 EFL doing their very best to make sure the pigs stay up......unts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel. Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Spent a lot last season to go up. Looked like it would work too but then inexplicably bombed out the top six. A reading fan I know pretty much called it a year ago saying they’d pretty much put it all on red that year in the slight hope FFP might be scrapped or flexed due to Covid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 The problem now is amending or voting in any new rules as I’m not sure how many teams will vote to scrap the rules? Parachute payment teams certainly won’t as they know it gives them the advantage and smaller teams won’t want bigger teams out spending them. Some say measure it against turnover? The fairest way would be a salary cap but a realistic one say 20 million a season max. That would be a combination of fees and wages. Again though the smaller teams would cry foul and I imagine it would take a sizeable majority to pass any new rules? I’m not confident of a better system coming into place. Especially while ever Rick Parry remains in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gob_Bluth Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 The Championship is going to keep having this problem over and over and over again. The prize if you win promotion to the promised land of the Premier League is worth so much that clubs will just keep going for broke and putting everything on red in order to do it. Which is fine if you support a club like Wolves or Villa who gambled and won, much less so for us, Derby, Reading Birmingham etc etc. Unfortunately, it would require wholesale changes and the Premier League to actually reform failure payments to relegated clubs, whilst the Premier League couldn't give a throw really about what happens to anyone outside of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes or die Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Bluesteel. said: Spent a lot last season to go up. Looked like it would work too but then inexplicably bombed out the top six. A reading fan I know pretty much called it a year ago saying they’d pretty much put it all on red that year in the slight hope FFP might be scrapped or flexed due to Covid A bit like us then. Football is being used more and more by "businessmen" to gamble on a quick won. It's high stakes stuff, the main problem being that, ultimately, it's the fans, clubs, grounds, traditions etc that bear the brunt and have to pick up the pieces. Madness 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 As someone else said, what’s the point losing £13m every years, when you are effectively ( not) competing with other teams who are allowed to lose around £53 m a year. 13 m plus 40 m failure payments. i think it’s inevitable some will say let’s have a go and hope we do it. The system is broken 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Personally I would amend this system as follows 1. Keep parachute payments otherwise teams coming down will go bust. 2. Comply with ffp across the league 3. Those with parachute payments and different ffp rules in first years back in championship are points handicapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bark1062 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 While ever the parachute payments exist the premier league clubs know they have that cushion , which in turn allows them to give bigger contracts. They need to have a clause in all players contracts that if relegated wages fall to sustainable levels without parachute payments. It is a totally unfair system, clubs should be able to spend what they like if it’s the owners money that is a gift to the club so long as it does not become a club debt cannot see the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bark1062 said: While ever the parachute payments exist the premier league clubs know they have that cushion , which in turn allows them to give bigger contracts. They need to have a clause in all players contracts that if relegated wages fall to sustainable levels without parachute payments. It is a totally unfair system, clubs should be able to spend what they like if it’s the owners money that is a gift to the club so long as it does not become a club debt cannot see the issue. What if, hypothetically of course, an owner does just that - spends and gifts lots of money, but then runs out of money or gets bored , and the club is left with a huge squad of expensive players it cannot pay? I think the rules are about protecting clubs as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bark1062 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, mcmigo said: What if, hypothetically of course, an owner does just that - spends and gifts lots of money, but then runs out of money or gets bored , and the club is left with a huge squad of expensive players it cannot pay? I think the rules are about protecting clubs as well. He makes the gift that covers the purchase & contract. If the owner walks the funds are in the club. The rules are not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellbeaten-the-owl Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bark1062 said: He makes the gift that covers the purchase & contract. If the owner walks the funds are in the club. The rules are not working Make owners jointly and personally responsible to pay contract's. Same can happen with current rules as remember you are allowed to spend £13m more per year than you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 The premier leagues plan to be the only league is coming to fruition, probably a little later than they expected, but it's happening. When's our 6 mill due to be paid again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 The domino effect. Reading spending has been common knowledge though and accounts published is outrageous. Derby's troubles and the extent of their mess was a bit more private. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adem Poric Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 It has to be the people who are spending the money who are responsible if it all goes to shit. Reading's owners had a right good go and it blew up in their face, just like it did with us, just like it did with Derby, and countless others. The owners need to know that if they spend all the money and it doesn't go well then they take on the debt. Then it is entirely their decision about how much they spend. It should be the same with clubs in the Premier League who get relegated. If they haven't included clauses to reduce wages in player contracts then why should they get help paying those contracts? Have rules in place where relegation clauses are mandatory. If you have that then there is no need for parachute payments. If they dont include relegation clauses they foot the bill until they can sell the player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 The whole system has become farcica; Footballhas become an international sport, with countless 'governing bogies', all trying to make a one system fits all. And it is simply not working. Take the English game. We are trying to work with FOUR bosses. The EFL. the EPL, the FA, and UEFA. FFP or whayever its new name may be, is not the concept of the English football game, but the brainchild of the European game. Looking at our own game - who runs British football?I was under the rather deluded impression that the English game was overseen by the FA. This now more than ever seems to be entirely the Amateur gameThe remainderof the game seemed once to be ruled by the English Football Leagur, until certain clubs , our own included, broke away to form the English Premier League, who's sole intentionseemed to be to take over all entrance to European soccer, and eventually become a closed shop. As for investment in soccer, who in their right mind would invest money in a game where they would expect no return?. Football is rapidly killing itself off = for money Promotion and relegation are no longer decided by who wins or loses on he football field, but bywho displeases the bean-counters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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