wellbeaten-the-owl Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, TodwickOwl said: £40m wage bill in the Championship, rightly so I'm afraid. Imagine not the highest wage bill though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeadonowl Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said: Imagine not the highest wage bill though. Not sustainable with average crowds of 13000 though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sensible Soccer said: I agree to a point but it would need to go further… for me the wage bill must be less than the turnover of the club by some way. That way if the wealthy owner leaves the club can still support itself. we were crippled by more than just rediculous spending on transfer fees… the wages is what did for us in the end as it did when we fell out the Prem all those years ago. failure payments need to go though. The owner wouldn't be able to leave without still been responsible for the debt, personal guarantees up front ect. In our case the debt shouldn't have crippled us, I believe I read the interest payments were approximately £500k per year. One or 2 good players wages, our problem was we were so poorly managed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellbeaten-the-owl Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, yeadonowl said: Not sustainable with average crowds of 13000 though Personally hate the "sustainable" argument, no offence. The rules permit £13m losses per anum. At those levels most championship clubs are blown out of water competing with parachute payments. Also, in no way shape or form is any business that loses £13m per annum sustainable. It's a load of rubbish. I can easily see why an owner' who is happy to fund losses of c£100million in s club would rather blow it over 3 years with hope of Getting into premier League with a chance of return rather than fund losses of £10m per year for 10 years which would likely see 10 years of competing just to stay in championship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellbeaten-the-owl Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 54 minutes ago, 0114 said: Just remember the clubs voted for FFP… Because the EPL strong armed them into doing so by making solidarity payments dependent on adoption of FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 55 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Why are clubs getting the opportunity to negotiate their punishment with the EFL? Is this partly as a result of the EFL being heavy handed with our initial 12-point deduction which went down by 50% on appeal? Of course, by the time we got 6 points back we had already endured a summer of nobody worth their salt wanting to join a club on minus 12 points. Maybe it wouldn't have made much of a difference anyway, but maybe if we had originally been deducted 6 points before the start of the season we might have found 1 or 2 better players that could have earned us a few points more last season. I assume it’s to speed the whole process up ? Chansiri fought our case tooth and nail ( has is his right ) and it was alleged by the EFL that he was deliberately slowing the process down. Hence why we got our punishment a few seasons after we’d broke ffp . Only a guess !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said: Personally hate the "sustainable" argument, no offence. The rules permit £13m losses per anum. At those levels most championship clubs are blown out of water competing with parachute payments. Also, in no way shape or form is any business that loses £13m per annum sustainable. It's a load of rubbish. I can easily see why an owner' who is happy to fund losses of c£100million in s club would rather blow it over 3 years with hope of Getting into premier League with a chance of return rather than fund losses of £10m per year for 10 years which would likely see 10 years of competing just to stay in championship. 'The rules permit £13m losses per anum. At those levels most championship clubs are blown out of water competing with parachute payments.' I think you're allowed to lose more than that if youre getting failure payments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said: Because the EPL strong armed them into doing so by making solidarity payments dependent on adoption of FFP. Well they strong armed their way into controlling the EFL rules on P&S using solidarity payments last year. They didn’t force the clubs to originally vote for FFP back in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellbeaten-the-owl Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, 0114 said: Well they strong armed their way into controlling the EFL rules on P&S using solidarity payments last year. They didn’t force the clubs to originally vote for FFP back in 2012. Not what a few owners have said on this who actually we're in the vote... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Why don't they make parachute payments cover wages of players still under contract who's contract started 12 months or more prior. The reason for parachute payments was that players wouldnt sign for clubs under threat of relegation so the payments were needed to cover wages if they go down. Why cant the payments actually cover that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Who’s getting it next season ? Championship relegation decided on who gets the biggest points deduction Have to try harder and harder everyday not to fall out of love with this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adem Poric Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TodwickOwl said: £40m wage bill in the Championship, rightly so I'm afraid. Pah, David Jones earned half that on his own at Wednesday. Edited September 21, 2021 by Adem Poric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said: Not what a few owners have said on this who actually we're in the vote... Care to expand? They made an agreement last summer that would mean the PL now control the rules of FFP for Championship clubs (I agree that’s wrong and they did use the pandemic to strong arm EFL clubs). My point is back in 2012 when the EFL clubs voted in favour for FFP it didn’t concern the PL as they didn’t decide on FFP until 2013. The clubs should never have voted for it in the 1st place, it completely restricts any clubs ability to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstyslaces Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said: It's not right so though is it? Just the inevitable consequence of a broken system that was only adopted in the first place because the EPL strong armed the EFL to adopt the rules that skew massively in protecting the status quo. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstyslaces Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Lucas Joao's Tooth said: It's a mockery when Teams willing to spend money in the Championship and below are punished but the top teams such as Man City can splash 100m on a player with no consequences. Limitations are needed throughout all of football, wage limits and transfer limits, a equal playing field, there shouldn't be a difference between Burnley and Man City just because of the income of the club but this has to start from the top downwards, not from the bottom up like they are trying. Problem is the premier league won't want it, the FA won't want it, they want English football to be the dominate force in world football they want the big TV deals and their product shown all over the globe. Sadly it's all down to money and the people at the top are making money selling a product. The gap between the Premier and Championship is ever growing, and all it's leading too is more money in the championship to go for broke to get to the big time because the money is astronomical. Spot on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelfin Platz Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 The whole thing is a mess and needs some financial wizards to develop a system that's fair to all and takes parachute payments into account or it will stay predictive as it's going now. There appears to be clubs who're just looking to get promoted to the Premier with little to no ambition of staying there, just happy for the payday, up and down, up and down, money money money. The road to ruining football is a long one, but we've come a long way down it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstyslaces Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Who’s getting it next season ? Championship relegation decided on who gets the biggest points deduction Have to try harder and harder everyday not to fall out of love with this game Crazy, but true! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Couldn't give a tőss about Reading to be fair ..... However .... have we got a decent sell on clause for Lucas Joào?.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Expecting the usual reactions to this post like ‘we shouldn’t have broke the rules’ ‘Chansiri’s this, Chansiri’s that’ but we got well and truly shafted by the EFL IMO? All you ever hear is -9points here, -9 points there, even clubs negotiating the extent of their punishments? Yet we get hit with -12 points straight at the start of last season (granted this became -6 on appeal) but to start at a massive advantage right at the start well and truly f**ked us over? Neither Derby or Reading are going to find themselves in that position. I’d like to bet Derby’s possible relegation will only be down to the likely points deduction for entering administration? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, Jim said: Expecting the usual reactions to this post like ‘we shouldn’t have broke the rules’ ‘Chansiri’s this, Chansiri’s that’ but we got well and truly shafted by the EFL IMO? All you ever hear is -9points here, -9 points there, even clubs negotiating the extent of their punishments? Yet we get hit with -12 points straight at the start of last season (granted this became -6 on appeal) but to start at a massive disadvantage right at the start well and truly f**ked us over? Neither Derby or Reading are going to find themselves in that position. I’d like to bet Derby’s possible relegation will only be down to the likely points deduction for entering administration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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