owlinexile Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, OwlinOldham said: Jokes aside, i do wish we had a set up to do that kind of scouting at our place. Obviously the system alone it doesnt guarantee success, as you also need to have an on field system/play style in place too. But it does pretty much ensure that you know the averages of what your getting when you sign a player. I imagine there would be some fan faves who might have come out looking bad and some of the boo boys faves that really came up good in that kind of scouting system. The problem is, it only really works if you are the only club doing it. Maths comes out with the same result for everyone. If every club has a team of analysts looking for 'undervalued' players, suddenly the undervalued players become the overvalued ones that everyone is trying to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 On 29/07/2021 at 16:43, Groundhopping Owl said: Assuming you mean Josh Sims - Sims plays on the right and Johnson on the left so I don't see the problem. And assuming we go through the season without injuries. We are usually pretty lucky with injuries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Plonk said: Stats are strange though, let’s be honest. I’ve been to games and thought someone had a stinker only to see that statically they in fact had a great game. The trouble with the human brain it sees one goal saving tackle ( like BB against udders) but forgets the five other tackles that have little impact on the game and are instantly forgotten. it remembers the crucial pass that slips in the striker to score, rather than seventeen passes back to the centre half. Statistically Pelepussy might be a better player than Harris, but I don’t really want to see either in my team. Most stats are silly. But goals and assists are a good gauge of an attacker or midfielder’s worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Wonder if Barca fans look at messis stats, or city fans ( I know) look at debruyners and say “ you know what, he’s not that good is he”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Most stats are silly. But goals and assists are a good gauge of an attacker or midfielder’s worth. Are they though? Hirsty always said he wouldn’t have scored so many goals without Paul Williams. No one remembers outside of Sheffield remembers him, and I would guess his “stats” were crap. But anyone who saw him play knew how good he was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlinOldham Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, owlinexile said: The problem is, it only really works if you are the only club doing it. Maths comes out with the same result for everyone. If every club has a team of analysts looking for 'undervalued' players, suddenly the undervalued players become the overvalued ones that everyone is trying to sign. This is very true and we all know the wednesday way is the slow and last to do things way . We will get in on it just as its being phased out for a new system. do you think its the norm now for big clubs to work on the moneyball system? Personally i cant help feeling its not really something many have yet adopted. The big clubs still seem to go out and spunk 100s of millions on players with sometimes no real plan or end result coming from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) Stats are a lazy drawback, you really need to watch a player and the benefits he brings to his teammates. Stats obviously play a part, but when someone argues with only stats it’s usually because they know little else about football Edited August 5, 2021 by FreshOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Is he imminently imminent yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrbuk Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Plonk said: Are they though? Hirsty always said he wouldn’t have scored so many goals without Paul Williams. No one remembers outside of Sheffield remembers him, and I would guess his “stats” were crap. But anyone who saw him play knew how good he was. People said Nuhiu was crap because of his stats..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bark1062 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, bigrbuk said: People said Nuhiu was crap because of his stats..... No mate! thy said he was crap because he is 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Beauchief Owl said: Yeah but that would mean sixty per cent don't so you can still convince them of whatever you are trying to show. Disraeli best summed it up when he said 'Lies, damn lies and statistics'. This is the response I wanted to a Homer Simpson quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Official now. Free transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelfin Platz Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 He's landed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstyslaces Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) It's like Christmas(nearly) every day! Marvin Johnson in today(on OS now), Lee Gregory tomorrow? C'mon "Darren Moores Owls"! Edited August 5, 2021 by Hirstyslaces Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Gregory and Sims and ideally another CB and we are looking in good shape. Then hopefully move the likes of Dawodu and Hagan out on loan and see if Paterson can be rehomed and its been an excellent window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gob_Bluth Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, owlinexile said: The problem is, it only really works if you are the only club doing it. Maths comes out with the same result for everyone. If every club has a team of analysts looking for 'undervalued' players, suddenly the undervalued players become the overvalued ones that everyone is trying to sign. Depends on what the stattos are looking for surely. If everyone does it, but they all have very different aims and goals in terms of how they play then the players they weight their stats towards would be massively different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Another good signing, lets see how he plays. Think he will be in the side on Saturday, especially if he has been training with us. Don't think we'll get Sims now but think Gregory will be the last one in, hopefully announced today or tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzy85 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 If we get Gregory in now, i'll be ecstatic with this windows business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, OwlinOldham said: This is very true and we all know the wednesday way is the slow and last to do things way . We will get in on it just as its being phased out for a new system. do you think its the norm now for big clubs to work on the moneyball system? Personally i cant help feeling its not really something many have yet adopted. The big clubs still seem to go out and spunk 100s of millions on players with sometimes no real plan or end result coming from it. I think most big clubs have data analysts on the staff these days, as part of their 'recruitment teams'. At the end of the day, if you are Man City and money is literally no object, the stats are still going to tell you that the most prolific Premier League striker over the last few seasons is... er... Harry Kane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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