kobayashi Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HarrowbyOwl said: The Club anounced in December that the process of appointing arbitrators was underway and that no steps would be taken in the disciplinary case, if at all, until the arbitration was resolved. We can only assume that the arbitration panel ruled that the disciplinary case could proceed. It seems from the rules that arbitration panel and disciplinary commission cases can be consolidated. So all evidence, witness statements, etc. gathered during the arbitration proceedings were probably carried forward into the disciplinary proceedings. In which case the judgement will have a lot of complex ground to cover. Maybe that's another reason for the delay. The March 20 statement suggests that the Arbitration Panels process never reached a conclusion. The charges against the individuals weren't dismissed by the panel they were dropped by the league; and the club having originally disputed the charges against the individuals and the club suddenly accepted at the same time that proceedings vs. the club could proceed to a hearing. Looks like a deal between the lawyers. Edited June 30, 2020 by kobayashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo2001 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: De Marco: “my client requests no points deduction and no fine” EFL lawyer: ”in return for?” dM: "a slice of my cherry sponge?" Corrected it for you !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Stating the obvious but obviously this isn’t clear cut for either side. Perhaps even if we are found guilty that could mean we get a lesser point deduction because it isn’t clear cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Bonvin Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Stating the obvious but obviously this isn’t clear cut for either side. Perhaps even if we are found guilty that could mean we get a lesser point deduction because it isn’t clear cut? If it’s not clear cut they shouldn’t find us guilty, even a little bit guilty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomaco Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Seems so, if it's taken this long, can't exactly be clear cut good point though, surely has to be beyond reasonable doubt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Can't see any verdict on this tomorrow, a match day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarquin Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, vulva said: 6 days in and our lad is baking cakes. Is it a court case or a village fete? He`s auditioning for a part in Father Brown. Lots of cakes baked in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelman Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, jomaco said: Seems so, if it's taken this long, can't exactly be clear cut good point though, surely has to be beyond reasonable doubt... That's for criminal cases. This will be decided on the civil burden which is on "the balance of probability" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Anything? No? Ok chaps. As you were. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ian_D said: Can't see any verdict on this tomorrow, a match day. Half time draw to find out if were winners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 You shouldn't read too much into the timescales, we have no idea how much material there is to scrutinies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls-swfc Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, deano said: You shouldn't read too much into the timescales, we have no idea how much material there is to scrutinies. Exhibit: 1. E-mail from EFL, OK to proceed 2. Bill of Sale for Hillsborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomaco Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, Steelman said: That's for criminal cases. This will be decided on the civil burden which is on "the balance of probability" Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Steelman said: That's for criminal cases. This will be decided on the civil burden which is on "the balance of probability" Thought it came down to who offers the biggest bung 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, kobayashi said: The March 20 statement suggests that the Arbitration Panels process never reached a conclusion. The charges against the individuals weren't dismissed by the panel they were dropped by the league; and the club having originally disputed the charges against the individuals and the club suddenly accepted at the same time that proceedings vs. the club could proceed to a hearing. Looks like a deal between the lawyers. I've no idea how the arbitarion morphed into a disciplinary commission case. I've been following the whole thing as closely as possible given the paucity of detailed reporting but never saw any explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, owls-swfc said: Exhibit: 1. E-mail from EFL, OK to proceed 2. Bill of Sale for Hillsborough. Not sure if you're serious but if only it was so simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, jomaco said: Seems so, if it's taken this long, can't exactly be clear cut good point though, surely has to be beyond reasonable doubt... It's not a case of criminal law as far as I'm aware so it doesn't have to be beyond a reasonable doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, deano said: You shouldn't read too much into the timescales, we have no idea how much material there is to scrutinies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, owls-swfc said: Exhibit: 1. E-mail from EFL, OK to proceed 2. Bill of Sale for Hillsborough. I'm starting to think that if that's how it was to go it would have been concluded and put to bed by last Thursday Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, prowl said: It's not a case of criminal law as far as I'm aware so it doesn't have to be beyond a reasonable doubt. The burden of proof is simply "sure" these days in crime trials, although it amounts to the same thing. But, as you rightly say its not a criminal trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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