Everywhere & nowhere Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Surely it’s the £39m limit that’s the problem. The EFL need to grow up a bit and adapt the rules in a sensible way to suit the current, modern game - apply whatever rules necessary in relation to money put in by rich owners but accept that any owners have to be rich and acknowledge the gulf with prem money which remains the ultimate prize of their own EFL competition and forces championship owners to spend commensurate amounts to compete in. Edited January 17, 2020 by Everywhere & nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, TINKERBELL said: Parachute payments need to go as its paying for failure. The EFL are not fit and proper imo. The EFL have nothing to do with the Premier League parachute payments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 The EFL should just scrap all this p a s rubbish. Just let clubs do what they want just like they have done for years. All this deductions this fin that is what is making the league unfair not clubs outspending. Ever since the league system there have been big and small clubs with various budgets. Worked quite well for 100 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Minton said: The EFL have nothing to do with the Premier League parachute payments True. But the EFL is directly influenced by parachute payments and, with them seemingly here to stay, the EFL needs to adapt its rules if it wants to have a equitable competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbury Owl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Minton said: The EFL have nothing to do with the Premier League parachute payments We should be allowed to compete on a level playing field with clubs on parachute payments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Highbury Owl said: We should be allowed to compete on a level playing field with clubs on parachute payments. The simple answer after 11 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, Highbury Owl said: We should be allowed to compete on a level playing field with clubs on parachute payments. Well. In a nutshell yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 All clubs should just start spending what they like.. what are the EFL going to do? Relegate everyone? Deduct 12 points from every team? The number of clubs under investigation now means this is starting to bubble up and something has to be done. PL 2 get's my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Harrysgame said: The EFL should just scrap all this p a s rubbish. Just let clubs do what they want just like they have done for years. All this deductions this fin that is what is making the league unfair not clubs outspending. Ever since the league system there have been big and small clubs with various budgets. Worked quite well for 100 years. Exactly right, in many respects there’s less chance of a club like Luton returning to the top flight these days as they can’t compete with clubs with parachute payments, or even clubs the size of us, and if they get taken over by a rich bloke there’s now a limit to what they can spend. If they develop a young player they are out the door at 15 to Chelsea or Man City’s (or Leicester) academy, only to be loaned out to some foreign team in the future. Football made a lot more sense 20 years ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Minton said: The EFL have nothing to do with the Premier League parachute payments But they CAN change their rules so the failure payments cannot be used as income which would make the championship a more level playing field. But they won't , which is what has led to the mess we see today. The EFL are totally to blame for this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Harrysgame said: The EFL should just scrap all this p a s rubbish. Just let clubs do what they want just like they have done for years. All this deductions this fin that is what is making the league unfair not clubs outspending. Ever since the league system there have been big and small clubs with various budgets. Worked quite well for 100 years. Agreed. If clubs spend beyond their means and get themselves into trouble, then so be it. The fact is that P & S is creating a whole set of new issues. The idea was to stop clubs going to the wall, but with these draconian punishments, there is a very real chance that the P & S rules will lead to a club going to the wall at some point. Also, the EFL trying act as some sort of moral arbiter of the game (with respect to finance) kind of falls on deaf ears when they approve Steve Dale as Bury owner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Journalist on twitter saying Derby are facing a 21 point deduction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzlebeak Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 The whole concept is flawed. Needs a complete re think. Premiership clubs are pushing up the prices and wages of lower league players. If you can’t spend money on trying to put together a team that can push for promotion then what’s the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Journalist on twitter saying Derby are facing a 21 point deduction! As if Derby wouldn’t appeal that? I can see the EFL facing serious financial problems chasing all these clubs and it’s by no means certain they’ll win the cases? I think we’d look to take them to the cleaners should we win our case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I think we will take them to the cleaners if we win. The EFL would do to remember how the PL came about in the first place. The big clubs were peeed off with being held back. Same things going to happen here if they don’t become flexible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside_Owl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said: As if Derby wouldn’t appeal that? I can see the EFL facing serious financial problems chasing all these clubs and it’s by no means certain they’ll win the cases? I think we’d look to take them to the cleaners should we win our case? Who do you think pays for these legal bills? What do you think the EFL is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside_Owl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, S36 OWL said: But they CAN change their rules so the failure payments cannot be used as income which would make the championship a more level playing field. But they won't , which is what has led to the mess we see today. The EFL are totally to blame for this. As others have said before, the EFL is THE CLUBS as a collective. So if the rules are not changed on any of this, it's because THE CLUBS have not voted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 But surely some of the clubs must now be demanding changes. And if the minority are punishing the majority that’s just unsustainable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, WalthamOwl said: Journalist on twitter saying Derby are facing a 21 point deduction! Click bait, as if a journo knows. EFL don't even know what they are doing. Just grasping to stay relevant in a PL world. Not many members clubs I know that seem to try to alienate their members like the EFL...good of the game sure more all about them keeping PL happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside_Owl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, Plonk said: But surely some of the clubs must now be demanding changes. And if the minority are punishing the majority that’s just unsustainable Sure, but the clubs collectively still have to vote for the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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