TheEnchanter Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: Its only tainted in some of our own fans heads I'm afraid I'm almost certain the disaster has led to us having a much heavier scrutinised health and safety policy from SAG. We certainly haven't even been considered to install safe standing seats like so many clubs have. These issues do hang onto us as a club. With so little improvements to the stands over the decades it still has an association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, FoxOwl12 said: Just pointing out what could be done. I agree, different , better plans could be drawn up now. Wouldn’t be enough still prone to flooding which gets more do everyyear energy efficiency will be shocking still residential s struggle to do concerts events facilities still poor transport links still poor needs to be able to bid for business that Sheffield can’t offer or host like Manchester central Excel centre NEC Sheffield as one of the so called 5 largest cities in the UK is so far behind in terms of facilities and a stadium can and should be able to offer that. I’d go as far as to say they would probably get sone sort of funding to support it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, TheEnchanter said: I'm almost certain the disaster has led to us having a much heavier scrutinised health and safety policy from SAG. We certainly haven't even been considered to install safe standing seats like so many clubs have. These issues do hang onto us as a club. With so little improvements to the stands over the decades it still has an association You're probably right with increased H&S scrutiny but you have also given a solution - invest in the stadium and modernise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: If we renovated as well this would also facilitate this. Again, where would you put them. Bordered by main roads, houses and water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, fpowl said: Wouldn’t be enough still prone to flooding which gets more do everyyear energy efficiency will be shocking still residential s struggle to do concerts events facilities still poor transport links still poor needs to be able to bid for business that Sheffield can’t offer or host like Manchester central Excel centre NEC Sheffield as one of the so called 5 largest cities in the UK is so far behind in terms of facilities and a stadium can and should be able to offer that. I’d go as far as to say they would probably get sone sort of funding to support it Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Ray Von shabba said: Again, where would you put them. Bordered by main roads, houses and water. The land that would have been identified has now been bought (across on Penistone Road) but you can build conferencing facilities into new structures it's easily achievable. I'm not an architect but lets face it the WC 2018 plans had community hubs and the like built in and now we are 20 years down the line with design principles so I would think it's more than achievable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoesJackHunt Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: https://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/index.php?/forums/topic/109793-do-we-have-a-problem-with-sheffield-wednesday-fans-and-their-club/ An old thread but the ire of the scousers is directed at the club hierarchy at the time. I'm not going into the disaster as it will get pulled but those who lived near the ground and used to drink in the pubs near the grounds know that only half a story got told in the subsequent 'new evidence'. The general stigma of playing at a ground where a massive disaster happened though, I'm not talking about what the Liverpool fans think about us, I've never thought or heard that there was an issue in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildatheart67 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: Its s brand new structure and nothing remotely like the current eye sore I am neigh on certain ,that central deck is the existing west stand. In fact as you look at the rendering it makes no sense the rake of the new infill on the left does not match the existing seating. I remember at the time we were so thankful anything was going to be done since the ground has been in standstill ( decline) since the grandstand was added for euro 96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, DoesJackHunt said: The general stigma of playing at a ground where a massive disaster happened though, I'm not talking about what the Liverpool fans think about us, I've never thought or heard that there was an issue in that regard. The stigma - give over there is none. Ibrox doesn't have a stigma does it? It's linked to the whole murky SYP, FA and other shenanigans I'm afraid not the ground itself 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 The first question to be answered were we to move to a purpose -built stadium would be WHERE? It would be impossible to build it anywhere within the Sheffield boundaries, since the first reason for rebuilding would be flooding! The areas around central Sheffield, certainly in the nearby areas are all within the flood-plain. Sheffield station is frequently flooded, even more so than Hillsborough, and the land most likely , around Meadowhall was flooded yesterday. Incidentally, Hillsborough was NOT, though nearly so. It would need to be within easy transport links, and Commercial links, and away from propety and Business links. Most of the credible locations are now Business or retail parks The logistical problem would need to be solved first and foremost. The next most important aspect would be the location of the potential support .Many clubs rely on a local fan base .Wednesday's fan base is spread far and wide with supporters regularly travelling from poits as far afield as such diverse places as Hoyland, Mexborough, Rotherham, Creswell, and Buxton , to name only the places I have lived in or know of. It would be interesting for the club to publish the locations of supporters to any given home match.I think people would be surprised at the percentages of Sheffield people to non-Sheffielders aamongst the home fans. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, mildatheart67 said: I am neigh on certain ,that central deck is the existing west stand. In fact as you look at the rendering it makes no sense the rake of the new infill on the left does not match the existing seating. I remember at the time we were so thankful anything was going to be done since the ground has been in standstill ( decline) since the grandstand was added for euro 96 So now we are splitting hairs! It's a fit for purpose football stand with a 2020s update would be ideal and fit in the current footprint of the ground 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggi's Jonnson Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 If you look at Fulham's new stand, the footprint of it is very tight and they have managed to expand out towards the river behind the stand. Something like that could be done at Hillsborough. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, DoesJackHunt said: The general stigma of playing at a ground where a massive disaster happened though, I'm not talking about what the Liverpool fans think about us, I've never thought or heard that there was an issue in that regard. To be fair the reason the disaster remained in the news for so long is the cover up by South Yorkshire Police and the lengthy fight for justice. The stigma attached to the actual stadium is very small IMO. The stigma sits with the mismanagement and terrible decision making that lead to it and the endless court battles after it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, FoxOwl12 said: Plans were drawn up a few years back actually. Pretty good they looked too . https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Farticle-1207508%2FHillsborough-A-new-beginning--Sheffield-Wednesday-unveil-stadium-redevelopment-plans.html&psig=AOvVaw1ibEawKmglxt1olJVpW-Z2&ust=1645612629469000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=2ahUKEwiZjYHzjpP2AhVIEsAKHeB1CZ4Qr4kDegQIARAe Think this was for the world cup if we got it. Planning permission approved. This would be the way to go ! Redevelop NOT Relocate. For now, where we currently are i do think demolishing the west stand and the corner and police box should be done asap then build a new purpose built stand across there. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: The land that would have been identified has now been bought (across on Penistone Road) but you can build conferencing facilities into new structures it's easily achievable. I'm not an architect but lets face it the WC 2018 plans had community hubs and the like built in and now we are 20 years down the line with design principles so I would think it's more than achievable. So my point was how do you incorporate Cinemas, Shopping malls etc. that people are talking about, within the current foot print that can't change. You need access, car parking etc. to facilitate this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basement Jack Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 It’s 2022 Engineers can do amazing things with buildings ( planning permission accepted) It needs some forward thinking/ thinking out of the box so to speak and the will to do it For me Hillsborough is quite simply home and with investment it could be a jewel again 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I’d be happy to leave. It’s a bit of a mess let’s be honest 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Siggi's Jonnson said: If you look at Fulham's new stand, the footprint of it is very tight and they have managed to expand out towards the river behind the stand. Something like that could be done at Hillsborough. Very similar to how Anfield has expanded to by going up and out Its very similar to hillsborough as in housing down 2 sides a park down the other and one main road out, yet im sure there are very few scousers asking to move from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple O Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, TheCityIsOurs said: People acting like it’s flood every other week, it’s flood twice in the last 15 years or whatever it is, to move away from such a historic ground because of that is ridiculous yes. Genuine question : I know the ground has flooded twice in the last 15 years but how many times has it flooded before 2007? If there was no history of flooding before then it would lead me to think that it is highly likely to do so in future. Water levels are rising and flood defences are super expensive. They also just lead to problems further downstream. Getting insurance must also be getting more expensive and harder to come by. I love Hillsborough but the issues are stacking up against it. Sentiment never paid a bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanBird Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 We all should be careful what we wish for! If Hillsborough was declared "unfit", I am sure that Chansiri would rather share Bramall Lane with the blades instead of building a new stadium! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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