@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, SwellOwl said: This. Bruce leaving during pre-season would have had a major impact to all our plans. Just when chairman made a strong move, it falls apart. I think just saying 'Steve Bruce' is way too simplistic What you have to ask is 'how has Chansiri managed the club since Steve Bruce left?' Has he given us the best possible chance of success? Has he provided his manager with all the tools he needs to do his job? etc etc etc 5 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Can't we have 'the players' option? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 46 minutes ago, zzmdu said: No need for the gas lighting. People doubting monk aren't daft. There is plenty of supportive evidence to doubt monk (& most do). For me his poor results record, his prior history of fall outs, & his inability to heal/manage the FF/Westwood/hutch rift (which Bruce was doing). Nothing daft about it Playing three at the back v Fulham tells you all you need to know about Monk. Next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Both! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think just saying 'Steve Bruce' is way too simplistic What you have to ask is 'how has Chansiri managed the club since Steve Bruce left?' Has he given us the best possible chance of success? Has he provided his manager with all the tools he needs to do his job? etc etc etc Indeed, when Bruce left (which dragged out and took a while so we had plenty of notice) there was still 3.5 weeks before the summer transfer window shut. A well run club has a list of replacements picked out at all times in case of these situations happening. If you have a good manager in the championship you should be prepared for a PL club to come calling. Anyway if we had a list of replacements and they all turned us down, we still had time to get someone in (Rowett, Monk whoever) and give them a week or so to work in the summer transfer market. Instead Chansiri left Bullen in charge until after the window had shut. Makes sense? Not really 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_ Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Monk. Chansiri for hiring Monk Both need to be held accountable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Both Monk is solely to blame for the total disgrace on the pitch, and Chansiri is solely to blame for destroying the club off the pitch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 There’s mitigating circumstances for both of them. Chansiri must have been devastated when Bruce walked out last summer during pre season, taking all his staff with him. A massive blow which it was always going to be hard to recover from. He would quite rightly have been expecting AT LEAST play offs if he’d stayed. No wonder he had a face like a slapped 4rse when Monk was unveiled. Monk has undoubtedly not exactly played a blinder, especially with his bizarre selections, tactics and substitutions at times. His media profile isn’t great either, where he comes across as dour and uninspiring, which I imagine is how he seems to the players. However, for him to have to work without any coaching staff selected by him is beyond unreasonable and he has also had to put up with some divisive characters behind the scenes who he should have been able to rely on as senior players. So on balance, Chansiri is more to blame as he expected Monk to work with one hand tied behind his back. However, if Monk had been more inspiring as a leader he would have got more out of this group so I’m afraid he has to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Grandad said: Still seeing lots of people saying we need to change the manager this summer... But will that fix things? The Players, simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepcar_lights Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Why do we want to look for someone to blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheOwlsofDodworth said: Why do we want to look for someone to blame? Because that's the mentality on here 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I suppose the players have probably found it difficult working nearly all season with the threat of a points deduction potentially negating any positive outcomes on the pitch. However, they should have had the collective will to get on and do their best and the manager should have been an inspirational figure who drove them on to achieve the best possible points tally possible. So of course, it would have been devastating if for instance they had achieved automatic promotion and then had it taken away, but imagine how it would have united the fan-base, players, manager and owner, in their determination to right a wrong the following season. What are we left with now? A team who have certainly not put in a proper shift for most of the games since Christmas, leaving us vulnerable to relegation when even a half decent response would have seen us safe even from a 15 point deduction. So next season, unless there is a complete overhaul of management, coaching and playing staff, the supporters are going to take some convincing that they should get back to Hillsborough in numbers when it’s finally possible. That’s what should be focusing Chansiri's thoughts after the Boro game, if not already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Ultimately, the blame lies with Chansiri, but that doesn't get away from the fact that Monk is not particularly good at his job...but then Chansiri appointed him, so go figure. The whole thing really is a complete mess though and the scary bit is it could get even worse. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 We seem directionless; passive and communitive both on and off the pitch. Players going through the motions; an owner who's stripped the management out of the club with him sitting in Thailand for the majority of the year, and a manager who seems to have accepted this and shrugs his shoulders at our increasingly frequent capitulations. If our post Christmas form had been replicated up until Christmas we'd be down by now, and we could have taken any points deduction the EFL choose to impose. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 48 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think just saying 'Steve Bruce' is way too simplistic What you have to ask is 'how has Chansiri managed the club since Steve Bruce left?' Has he given us the best possible chance of success? Has he provided his manager with all the tools he needs to do his job? etc etc etc I think we can all agree that he has not given us the best chance. I think the chairman thought Bruce could work with what he had, left and then ran out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Both are to blame, as well as previous managers and the gutless mediocre overpaid players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 The impression you get is we didnt go up in the first two seasons and Chansiri's enthusiasm has waned ever since. Perhaps there was a momentary upsurge when Bruce came in and then since he left we have been completely directionless. The fact Monk remains in a job despite this wretched form is testament to the fact that Chansiri a) doesn't have a clue; b) is too stubborn to accept he fooked up again; or c) both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, zzmdu said: No need for the gas lighting. People doubting monk aren't daft. There is plenty of supportive evidence to doubt monk (& most do). For me his poor results record, his prior history of fall outs, & his inability to heal/manage the FF/Westwood/hutch rift (which Bruce was doing). Nothing daft about it Monk probably isn’t the best man to take us forward . I dunno . That’s not the issue. The rift as you put it didn’t need healing . All 3 of those players needed moving on. All 3 are 30 plus , all 3 have poor injury history and all 3 aren’t anywhere near the players they were . They were on premier league wages for very little return. flogging a dead horse and relying on players who are past it and on mega bucks . That really is daft. Obsessing about monk is a waste of time . Whilst ever chansiri is here the club will be a joke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Cos it really is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, bladeshater said: Because that's the mentality on here Just reading Facebook and Twitter and the exact same conversations are taking place So it's not 'on here' It's everywhere Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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