marconi Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 The scouting system, and those that sway the purchasing of some of these lower league failures. I’m no expert but it’s easy to spot talent in the non Premier leagues that would jump at the chance to come here. Sluga from Luton in the net for next season please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, TheOwlsofDodworth said: Why do we want to look for someone to blame? Blame culture... Not really healthy though is it. At least it give people something to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Grandad said: Still seeing lots of people saying we need to change the manager this summer... But will that fix things? Don't think it is as black and white as this simple poll so not going to vote. I understood the owners approach of going for broke in 2 seasons to get promoted and it nearly worked. When it didn't work we should have looked at selling players to keep the finances within the limits, took a season or 2 to rebuild and had another go. This didn't happen which is why we are in a financial hole so the owner has to take responsibility for the restrictions on us progressing in that sense. However, the manager had the same squad in the top 6 after half a season. To then get less points than every club in the division bar one for the 2nd half of the season in unacceptable and the responsibility for that lies with him and the players. Changing manager is unlikely to fix things completely unless we have a great result with the EFL case. Even then it will only work if we get the right man and that is a bit of a lottery as far as we are concerned recently, Bruce looked like he was on the way to improving matters, Jos proved to be the wrong man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Blame culture... Not really healthy though is it. At least it give people something to do. It's not 'blame' culture It's fans trying to understand what's happening, what's causing the underperformance, what's behind the issues etc 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I'm trying to remember how I felt at Christmas - sitting 3rd. Looking back we sort of knew that we'd got there through a bit of luck, attritional play and keeping it tight. We had however, lost points late on so still had that old problem of seeing games out, but still could have been even more comfortable at the top. What's happened since Christmas is quite shocking - 2nd worst club in the division for form. Those not wanting to discuss the manager's role in this need to explain why, particularly when he was given Wickham, Da Cruz and Windas to strengthen the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southie_Owl Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Owls-Fan said: Monk has done a bad job with a sh*t hand Chansiri has done a bad job with a Royal Flush (or whatever a good hand in poker is called). Im hoping Chansiri will leave more than Monk does, but both to go would be ideal Think this nails it, Monk seems to be an average manager and probably needs to go to a club like Hull in league 1 or Doncaster and he’d probably do okay there. But what Bruce highlighted is you need to be very good to cope with life under Chansiri. Something Monk and Jos have struggled with. Will we be able to get another Bruce whilst Chansiri is in charge? Its unlikely so I hope Chansiri sells us on, sooner rather than later 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, james o connor said: Anybody blaming the manager is just daft. The chairman is utterly useless and has made this mess himself. The fact five years on he is still utterly useless, still deluded and still thinks he knows best speaks volumes for the kind of fool he is You don't think the manager should be able to get more out of this squad then 23rd best for half a season by some distance and conceding 3+ goals every other game? All we needed to do from Christmas, when we were 20 points clear of the bottom 3, was match the results of the worst 3 teams in the division and a points deduction would not be causing any relegation concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, mcmigo said: Steve Bruce is the answer walked out and took our coaches days before start of the season. We went into a season with an estate agent in charge of the team. we have been fighting an uphill battle ever since. We were third at Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, WalthamOwl said: Monk deserves some blame of course for us not having a stronger season but the majority of the blame lies fully at the door of DC. However If we end up being relegated by a point deduction DC deserves 100% of the blame. Monk would have kept us up under normal circumstances, yes not a great achievement, but without a point deduction we wouldn’t be worrying about going down to league one. At Christmas, after 23 games were were 20 points clear of the bottom 3. The fact that 22 games later we are now concerned about a points deduction of anything above 5 points is down to the performance on the pitch, led by the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: It's not 'blame' culture It's fans trying to understand what's happening, what's causing the underperformance, what's behind the issues etc Even if we pinpoint any problems, what can we do about it? Genuine question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, HIGHERSTATE said: Even if we pinpoint any problems, what can we do about it? Genuine question. Quite possibly nothing at all Obviously putting serious pressure on a chairman always leads to them making the manager a scapegoat and sacking them to take the pressure off themselves Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, bladeshater said: Because that's the mentality on here Do you not thinks supporters are entitled to have a discussion about why this season has been an even bigger disappointment than the previous 2? Yes the poll itself is a bit one dimensional but the discussion around it highlights the issues that are concerning for many fans. Or should we just ignore it all and wait for the next limp defeat? Edited July 19, 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: We were third at Christmas. This has been a stick used to beat the manager and team for the second half of the season Anybody who had watched us home and away in that first half of the season knew it was a false position. We really didnt deserve to be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: At Christmas, after 23 games were were 20 points clear of the bottom 3. The fact that 22 games later we are now concerned about a points deduction of anything above 5 points is down to the performance on the pitch, led by the manager. ...who's employed by the chairman. If you think Monk is underperforming given the circumstances under which he's managing, then it's Chansiri's fault for not replacing him before now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Quite possibly nothing at all Obviously putting serious pressure on a chairman always leads to them making the manager a scapegoat and sacking them to take the pressure off themselves The manager will be sacrificed in order to save face, keep the fans happy and keep them distracted for a while. When Bruce was appointed we were at a very low point and hey presto DC pulls one of the best Championship managers out of the bag...fans like kids in a sweetshop and the heat is off him. I bet DC had hardly heard of him and what he'd done. It was just convenient for him to splash the cash. Didn't he announce his appointment during that fans forum evening like an episode of surprise surprise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: You don't think the manager should be able to get more out of this squad then 23rd best for half a season by some distance and conceding 3+ goals every other game? All we needed to do from Christmas, when we were 20 points clear of the bottom 3, was match the results of the worst 3 teams in the division and a points deduction would not be causing any relegation concerns. Probably a bit more . But looking at the squad it’s poor bannan . Overrated and stale iorfa decent , nowhere near what some think he is borner I’m not Convinced Palmer decent ish moses awful Harris mediocre lee past it joey limited back up player luongo often injured reach abysmal Nuihu looks like he’s off Rhodes had it lees had it hunt a way off yet jury’s out on both keepers then a load of loan players it was hugely over performing to be anywhere near the top six plus it’s lost fox and fletcher , two best players this season by a mile . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Grandad said: This has been a stick used to beat the manager and team for the second half of the season Anybody who had watched us home and away in that first half of the season knew it was a false position. We really didnt deserve to be there I agree with that, 3rd was not reflective of performances and a number of teams were close to us but were were comfortably top 10 and were not conceding goals for fun. The fact is we have been 23rd best since, some way behind 22nd best, simply not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Quite possibly nothing at all Obviously putting serious pressure on a chairman always leads to them making the manager a scapegoat and sacking them to take the pressure off themselves The owner clearly needs to reflect on how he runs the club and change things. However, when a manager takes a team to top 6 in half a season and then in the second half of the season leads that team to dropping off to 23rd best with a complete shambles of a defensive record then I don't think you can label him as being a scapegoat if his job comes under threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: The owner clearly needs to reflect on how he runs the club and change things. However, when a manager takes a team to top 6 in half a season and then in the second half of the season leads that team to dropping off to 23rd best with a complete shambles of a defensive record then I don't think you can label him as being a scapegoat if his job comes under threat. Do you think there is any mileage in the claim that it was the discussions over new contracts to the squad that led to the fall in form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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