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Just now, bigash_swfc said:

 

It's a shame he's going but at this stage, his record says he's not making 20 goals.

 

16/17...3 goals

17/18...9 goals

18/19...10 goals

 

Sam Winnall for comparison.

 

16/17...14 goals

17/18...6 goals

18/19...Injured.

 

I'd be interested to know how Joao & Winnall's goals per minute ratio looks.

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3 minutes ago, Crofty_11 said:

I'd be interested to know how Joao & Winnall's goals per minute ratio looks.

 

I haven't a clue, from their loan spells.

 

Winnall at Derby. Played 17, Scored 6

Joao at Blackburn. Played 13, Scored 3

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Every player has his price,  and our downfall has been not selling players to raise income. 

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1 minute ago, Crofty_11 said:

No, but would you pay 6m for Madine? Reading have got a good deal here. If the sale of Joao is a necessity then fair enough, but I'd have waited to see if bids came in for Winnall or Rhodes before the deadline, before rubber stamping this deal. Moving forward with a front line of Nuhiu, Winnall, Forestieri, Fletcher isn't good enough, what with their inury records.

Can only sell if someone else wants them.

 

In relation to the Madine comparison, he was 27 when he went to Cardiff, was playing regularly for Bolton and enjoying a purple patch in front of goal, scored 26 in 106 games. Joao isn't a regular starter, scored 29 in 127 and is 26 next month. At that age, I think the 'potential' premium element in a players value diminishes. 

 

I think c£6m is a good deal for us, as was £6m for Madine for Bolton. 

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3 minutes ago, bigash_swfc said:

 

I haven't a clue, from their loan spells.

 

Winnall at Derby. Played 17, Scored 6

Joao at Blackburn. Played 13, Scored 3

 

Winnall edges it slightly then. This could be his chance. Hope he takes it.

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If we’re getting 5 million up front for Joao I’d say it’s good business.

 

As with anything else though, any incomings have to be shrewd.

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10 minutes ago, Dronfield_SWFC said:

He did not pull up any trees when on loan to Blackburn

Thing is, there are still some very good players in our squad.

 

As Saturday seemingly proved, we have a better team than Reading.

 

Lucas is a talented lad, but I'm not convinced he's got it in him to turn Reading into a good team.

 

 

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Time we had a formation and recruitment to suit it.

If we are going to play 4-3-3 then Rhodes can’t play so should be sold. Joao would be able to play it so it’s unfortunate he’s going - any replacement needs to be able to play as central in a 3 (ideally also wide if necessary).

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9 minutes ago, Dronfield_SWFC said:

He did not pull up any trees when on loan to Blackburn

 

Is that relevant? Players are judged on what they've done in the last season or two, not on a loan spell 3 seasons ago (although some people still seem oddly convinced that because Rhodes used to score goals up until 4 years and a third of his career ago, he'll suddenly start again). He's scored 20 league goals in the last 2 years with an impressive goals per game ratio.

 

How many goals did McBurnie score in 2016/17, or Maupay? I'll save you looking it up, McBurnie scored sod all and Maupay got 11 in the French second division. They've both gone for £20m because of their recent form.

 

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6 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

Every player has his price,  and our downfall has been not selling players to raise income. 

Amen

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Hope we have the sense to put a sell on clause in as part of any deal.

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Crazy that, if reports are true re João and Rhodes, we are selling forwards, a few days before the transfer deadline with another striker looking at a 6 game ban.

Its obviously Fletcher up top in a front 3 this season - good at holding the ball up but totally unprolific and injury prone!

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He has underperformed here despite being given chances and I expect he will do the same at Reading.

 

..as long as we get a good fee and it’s spent wisely he can go for me.

 

He’s got talent but just hasn’t got the mentality or work ethic to maximise the talent.

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3 minutes ago, swfcGibbo said:

 

 

Interesting...

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I'm all for it if we get a fee that his ability deserves. £5m+ and i'd snap their hand off. Get a sell on clause in there as well in case it does click for him this season.

 

By the looks of preseason and now the Reading game we are going to set up in a formation where we need to be getting goals from midfield as well as out wide. Harris looks fantastic, Reach can get goals from either position, Fletcher is a top end of the Championship centre forward. What we now need is someone who can play on the opposite side to Harris who has pace and will work hard, it would take some pressure off Reach and would mean he can swap in to Lee's role when he inevitably needs a rest. 

 

I'd still be trying to get Hector back, Borner looks like he could cover Hutch if necessary as well. If we can get in Hector, a striker with pace on loan who can come off the bench and a wide player we wont be far off.

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4 minutes ago, bigrbuk said:

 

Interesting...

 

Was he with Doyen? 

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14 minutes ago, GMOwl72 said:

Hope we have the sense to put a sell on clause in as part of any deal.

so do i  where i think the kid is blo*dy annoying  he's got the ability to be a star  wonder if the portuguese manager there  was a factor  as we've lost people who could do the semedo role with him  

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1 minute ago, WalthamOwl said:

 

Was he with Doyen? 

 

I believe so. TransferMarkt still says he is...

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