Ever the pessimist Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The Leeds 1-6 in 1992 I think we were decimated by injury and illness. So much so that I was not surprised by how battered we got. Remember Laws having to field an exceptionally weak side at Cardiff one Christmas - was pleased to get away with a 2-0 defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This is Wednesdays worst ever injury crisis but Nothing has Changed as Theresa May said the other week "Nothing has Changed". True Nothing tangible has changed other than that which Buxton Agent eluded to. Nothing tangible has changed but there has been a massive shift in the reciprocity of relationships between board and player. I remember one morning being behind the south stand as a kid when a certain Wednesday player greeted Eric Taylor with "Good Morning Sir" That relationship, a power relationship, doesn't exist any more. But players were, often to their cost, encouraged to play through the pain. Wages have exploded and in that explosion that old relationship has been obliterated. But more than this, the advances in medical science. We all witness on a regular basis the victims of playing through the pain as they hobble up to the ground as legends whos hips or knees have been damaged by Arthritis, Add to this the new kid on the block, Dementia with a causal link being proffered to heading the ball. On all fronts players are wanting to be 100% when they play and remain 100% as they age. In days gone by players cowed at Directors demands and played on pain killers. It was either that way or the highway for their £20 a week. The next question is ...Do some players take the pi55; Of course they do but it's all there in black and white in the contracts. Maybe the owners/directors just need to be a little more savi and link a bigger % of the contracts to appearances and bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticOwl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Sturrock had a bad time with injuries before he got the boot. But not as bad as we have right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This is by far the worst I can remember . You used to see players limp off and stretchered off and think they may struggle to play the next game but these days a lot of injuries seem to happen off the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: This is Wednesdays worst ever injury crisis but Nothing has Changed as Theresa May said the other week "Nothing has Changed". True Nothing tangible has changed other than that which Buxton Agent eluded to. Nothing tangible has changed but there has been a massive shift in the reciprocity of relationships between board and player. I remember one morning being behind the south stand as a kid when a certain Wednesday player greeted Eric Taylor with "Good Morning Sir" That relationship, a power relationship, doesn't exist any more. But players were, often to their cost, encouraged to play through the pain. Wages have exploded and in that explosion that old relationship has been obliterated. But more than this, the advances in medical science. We all witness on a regular basis the victims of playing through the pain as they hobble up to the ground as legends whos hips or knees have been damaged by Arthritis, Add to this the new kid on the block, Dementia with a causal link being proffered to heading the ball. On all fronts players are wanting to be 100% when they play and remain 100% as they age. In days gone by players cowed at Directors demands and played on pain killers. It was either that way or the highway for their £20 a week. The next question is ...Do some players take the pi55; Of course they do but it's all there in black and white in the contracts. Maybe the owners/directors just need to be a little more savi and link a bigger % of the contracts to appearances and bonuses. Difference was though that in the days of £20/week wages the pain killers were 2 aspirins. If that wasn't enough a reserve team player took your place. The more powerful stuff & courtisone injections came a lot later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This one is a shocker but we have been here before. The infamous Steve Bruce header game at old Trafford, we started with a strike force of Watson and Jemson and brought on bright who was so crocked he could hardly move. the Cardiff game noted above we had Boden, modest and slusarski in the starting eleven and lekaj and liversidge on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincs Owl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Start of season 1957-8 Wednesday had a flu crisis and got FA permission to postpone the first 2 games. The 3rd game was played as per fixture list but with a weakened side. We were relegated from the top division at the end of the season. But flu doesn't last forever. I started going the season after. I've never known a situation where virtually every first teamer is out. And mostly with long-term injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredmciverslovechild Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 That one with Dooley back in 1973 we tried to get the Notts County home game called off but the FL basically told us that so long as we had eleven players who could walk we could f-off. And then I think about the next game was QPR away in the League Cup and we lost 8-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I remember the burger van on Penistone Road catching fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blatter said: Difference was though that in the days of £20/week wages the pain killers were 2 aspirins. If that wasn't enough a reserve team player took your place. The more powerful stuff & courtisone injections came a lot later. As someone who was born in 1950 with a considerable skeletal frame abnormality I know a little about this subject. In fact Oral and intra-articular administration of cortisone and hydrocortisone began in 1950-51. Several lines of research to produce cortisone semi-synthetically showed some success by 1952. Between 1954 and 1958 six synthetic steroids were introduced for systemic anti-imflammatory therapy. By 1960 all of the toxic effects of chronic corticosteroid administration had been described, as well as protocols to withdraw such drugs while minimising symptoms of cortical insufficiency. To enable use of lower corticosteroid dosages, companion use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs began in the late 1950s, with phenylbutazone the first. In the 1970s the introduction of methotrexate and other anti-metabolites further circumscribed the dosages and indications for corticosteroids in the rheumatic diseases. Rest assured that painkillers on offer prior to 1970 were a lot stronger and more effective than a couple of Asprins. Of course, what ever pain killers were used they merely masked the pain while the ware on the joints and the symptoms of the joint deterioration grew worse. Still the day may dawn when advances in joint replacement therapy may allow strength of the hip or knee joints and guarantee the required freedom of movement for sportsmen and women. Edited January 22, 2018 by nevthelodgemoorowl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitecap Owl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 5 hours ago, adelphi1867 said: 1973 was the injury crisis that did for Dooley + a Flu epidemic going through the club. I remember the flu epidemic as well. I may be wrong but I seem to remember the club contemplating playing that one behind closed doors... long time ago now so I might not be 100% correct. Besides that I think this is probably the worst injury crises since at least 1971... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitecap Owl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Blatter said: Difference was though that in the days of £20/week wages the pain killers were 2 aspirins. If that wasn't enough a reserve team player took your place. The more powerful stuff & courtisone injections came a lot later. Don't forget the miracle of the "magic spray" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 There was the great plague of 1881, in which the whole squad was struck by a particularly hairy virus leaving them partially blind in both eyes. A local shaman was called to rectify the situation but he too had the plague and was absolutely f*cking useless, at one stage trying to cure a penny farthing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimisticowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 6 hours ago, adelphi1867 said: 1973 was the injury crisis that did for Dooley + a Flu epidemic going through the club. No inoculations in those days, the virus went through the dressing room like wildfire. Carlos’s mistake was in asking players to do what they were not fit enough to do, the fitter you are, the harder it is to injure you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 hours ago, sherlyegg said: Didn't you be able to get games called off years ago, if a certain number of 1st teamers were out. I think Boro tried that once and got points docked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesdayok Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 6 hours ago, gypsyowl said: This has to be the worst surely, it's a good job our squad so big or we'd be f00ked. Westwood Van Aken Lees Hutch Bannan Lee FF Hooper Fletcher that's a massive chunk of our 1st team not available, we're actually doing pretty well under the circumstances All looked after by NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Owl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I have been an Owl since 1967 and cannot remember having so many injuries and players being out for so long. I think this is down to not being fit (under CC) and the medical team not being up for the job, don't know why they got rid of the miracle spray that was used in the 60-80's, used to do wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 6 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: I think Boro tried that once and got points docked. It was even better than that. They had a virus go through the squad and only had about 15 players available, several of which were youngsters. They contacted the Premier League and were of the understanding that they could call the game off if there was "just cause" but it's not clear if they were formally granted permission to do so. The club certainly thought they were covered and did not turn up to the game at Blackburn. But they ended up being fined and deducted three points for failing to fulfill a fixture. In the end, they were relegated by 2 points. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 11 hours ago, fatbloke said: I can remember a time not too many years ago when we had to name the team goal keeping coach to have enough to fill the bench can anybody else remember this and dates ..? Eric Nixon? Can't remember who we played. But he came on and then flattened the opposition number 9 coming for a cross. Showing the young ones how it's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomtheOwl95 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 This is the worst in my time watching us. Yes the early 2000's weren't great but we had much less in the way of a medical team back then (some might disagree about that). It's not just the amount of players it's the quality as well. To basically have the heart of the team ripped out is a devastating blow. I can't remember losing 8/9 players that would easily be regular first team starters before. We might have lost 4/5 and then had another 4/5 out who were fringe players at some point but that isn't worse in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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