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[1/10/1983]

Just to clarify a couple of points.

ONLY the referee can reverse this decision. The FA may have privately asked him to review it but, given that FF is listed as suspended for 2 games this can only mean he wasn't asked or was and he stuck with his original decision. There is a theory that refs are digging in their heels on simulation because, even when they get it wrong, if players know they will be carded it will eventually change behaviour; FF and others will have to stay on their feet.

Secondly, whilst it is tempting to blame the FA for the ludicrous rules it is not their fault. FIFA some years ago made it clear they would not allow appeals for yellow cards, except in cases of mistaken identity, because it is considered re-refereeing which brings refereeing into disrepute. FIFA only reluctantly allowed appeals for red cards upon threats of legal action.

Strangely, FIFA do not seem to see that the number of rank bad decisions brings refereeing into dispute more than any appeals process, but expecting FIFA to apply logic and fairness is ridiculous.

All that could change this is either;

A) Strong and repeated legal action is taken to reverse this perversity

Or (and the easier, preferred option)

B) The FA play hardball and insist referees rescind erroneous cards or they will not sanction the reappointment of that referee for any game until they admit their error.

The PGMO (Professional Game Match Officials) led by Mike Riley make a big noise of all the time they put into training referees but big, basic errors keep happening. Yes, mistakes get made but there are too many significant ones and a misplaced denial in admitting them.

[Utah Owl]

Let's just hope common sense prevails and something gets done about it, it's one thing making a mistake will all do it but it's another when you don't hold your hand up especially in the face of clear evidence.

This more than anything. If the ref isn't big enough to own up to a mistake then he isn't big enough to be a referee at all and should be removed from the list.

In addition the hardened cynic in me finds it somewhat fishy that a referee from Brighton gets our star player banned for a game against his hometown team.

[Big Jack]

The ref is a cheat

...there can be no other explanation...there is no way on earth he could interprete that as a dive.

It is possibly the worst I have ever seen in 50 yrs

[Jon Adam]

It basically shows the F.A. up if they don't change it.  They've undermined the credability of their own organisation when everyone surrounding the game, including Hull's manager and the other player involved aid there was no foul.  That says, there was no foul so the card should be rescinded.  Why would other people not tied to the club back FF if he's not innocent.

[nevthelodgemoorowl]

The ref has in all probability been instructed to pay special attention to Fessi by the Referees Association and he has...

 

Same two offences in two concurrent games smacks of victimisation. We will never see Robinson at Hillsborough again !

 

Sky have an agenda in keeping the Prem Stars (Divers) on the pitch Fessi is seen as a soft target !

[Birley Owl 1867]

Apologies didn't realise we were being run by the Spanish FA

You asked for an example and I gave one

[Lionel Fessi]

The club have done what any other club would do and log the injustice.

 

The fact it was on Tv and has had big exposure with everyone bar the ref stating it was a blatant mistake.

 

If Mr Robinson does not make an apology for his error, then the FA will shun him, I think the club putting pressure on The FA, pushes the ref 

 

into a corner.

 

Exactly this.

 

Can't help but think if something like this had happened in the United vs Arsenal game a controversial red card it would be all over the front pages and something would be done...

Luckily for us it's not like we went on to lose a point after FF was dismissed, but the implications of the red card are huge. We are clearly at a big disadvantage going into our next 2 games without one of our most important/best players. Brighton is a tough tough game anyway likely a side we could be facing in the playoffs and Colin and Rotherham love playing us and is some kind of 'derby' to toytown, those games just got a lot harder without FF.

 

We should be doing everything possible to put pressure on the FA to act, decisions like this are not acceptable at all. Hypothetically the red card would certainly not be standing if Alexis Sanchez was incorrectly sent off and was to miss 2 huge games in the PL title chase, would it?

  From a professional point of view, at the very least the referee should come out and acknowledge his error...but we all saw what happened after the QPR away game and those awful decisions cost us 3 points and QPR somehow still playing with 11 men. Nothing.

[trevdi9]

Sadly we are banging our heads against an FA wall referees have always and will be a protected species,the only get out we have on this is if Robinson owns up to the incident ,and to put it mildly if he was going to do that he would have by now ,and as far as we know he hasn't ,the two card appeal rule is stupid as we all know but i for one can't see it changing any time soon , can any of you ,

That said i do feel that Forestieri  has a strong case for the FA to review and rescind and is backed up by many including the Hull manager and player involved therefore it merits a test case and should be looked at by the powers that be , but i daresay it won't which is unfair and casts our player as a cheat ,

[meadowview owl]

Does anyone think that deep down Warnock or Hughton are doing anything other than peeing their pants.

Say what they like in public, call it an outrage, but deep down they will be delighted.

We'd be no different and you all know it

I dunno , if the millers get physical on Saturday and there are any incidents then I could see us getting the rub of the green with any decisions after what's gone off

[Bluesteel]

If the referee hasn't updated his report to admit a mistake then it shows you what is wrong with the governance of football and the attitudes within it.

Says a lot about what kind of personality you need to be in order to be a referee too

[ChichesterOwl]

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[darra]

If it's right that the ref and I call him that in the loosest sense possible is a PE teacher what a great role model he is. Sir was it you who sent that bloke off when you shouldn't have? Yes but  hey never mind

[Stoop]

I can't wait for Mr Robinson to take charge of his next game at hillsborough

[OhForAnotherShez]

If he comes to Hillsborough, his welcome will be on the 'Dicanio scale'.

[alanharper]

If it's right that the ref and I call him that in the loosest sense possible is a PE teacher what a great role model he is. Sir was it you who sent that bloke off when you shouldn't have? Yes but  hey never mind

 

He'll be the local hero again tonight. The West Sussex referee took charge of West Sussex team Crawley at home to Newport. They won 2-0 and he sent off a Newport player, giving a second yellow card for "obstruction".

 

The school he works at is a mere 13 miles from Crawley.

[pauli]

He'll be the local hero again tonight. The West Sussex referee took charge of West Sussex team Crawley at home to Newport. They won 2-0 and he sent off a Newport player, giving a second yellow card for "obstruction".

 

The school he works at is a mere 13 miles from Crawley.

 

 

Bent as a nine bob note.

 

(Bent as a 45p coin for the young uns)

Edited March 1, 2016 by pauli

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

He'll be the local hero again tonight. The West Sussex referee took charge of West Sussex team Crawley at home to Newport. They won 2-0 and he sent off a Newport player, giving a second yellow card for "obstruction".

 

The school he works at is a mere 13 miles from Crawley.

I reckon he must have got summat on the FA !!!

[captain jack]

Another dubious second yellow last night in his first game after the FF incident (Crawley v Newport)

[Ante's Bubbly]

Footballers and managers do not always understand the rules and often express opinions which are then widely accepted by the public as being fact. This was highlighted when several ‘pundits’, players and ex-players offered their opinions regarding the substitution incident against l**ds.

 

 Yellow cards can be rescinded, quashed, revoked or whatever else you want to call it and clubs can appeal against wrong doings by other players or match officials. The FA obviously would prefer it if people just quietly accepted their referees decisions, but sometimes fans, clubs and players have to make a stand and push for what is right. I personally am not too concerned that FF will miss Rotherham, because I believe he is being targeted by refs and Colin would get his team to play on that. Against Brighton we would be much happier if we have FF available, especially as another player being made unavailable by injury or refereeing decision, could potentially put us at a further disadvantage and unfairly. If it is jut FF missing against Brighton, maybe we can do without him and do another, ”Arsenal” against Brighton. However, I am concerned that if the club and fans do not push the FA into at least giving us some kind of explanation as to why this injustice is being upheld, then they are condoning the fact that refs can possibly send players off so that they cannot play against the ref’s hometown club. Surely this situation should not be possible especially where the decision made by the ref is exactly the opposite of what can be seen on the video evidence and the evidence given publicly by managers and players involved in the incident.

 

The fact is that Dawson thought he was going to get sent off because he made a rash, uncontrolled challenge, showing studs and fetching down Forestieri for the second or third time in the game. He had to walk for that and I cannot believe that the FA are going to turn a blind eye to the fact that he could have broken Forestieri’s leg and got away with it without our club or players making a peep about it.

 

It sickened me years ago when we played Liverpool in the last match or one of the last matches of the season and Liverpool could possibly have qualified for Europe if they had managed to beat us. In that game the referee decided that outr goalie had handled the ball outside the area, which from the opposite end of the pitch, we could see he had kept the ball in the area when he was impeded by the Liverpool forward. Our goalie was sent off and the sending off was retracted on video evidence and the card was rescinded, but the referee gave a decision against us which he had to see to give and gave it without a second thought over whether it was right or wrong. Like Tim Robinson the other day who seemed determined to punish Forestieri, despite Forestieri (in a similar fashion to the Preston game) getting fouled on several occasions throughout the game.  

The FA do not like to have their referees criticised and there are so many rules in place to protect referees, but mistakes have been rectified in the past and even if it is just to protect FF from further victimisation from referees, we must do something about this. FF has been sent off twice now for one yellow card offence on each occasion in two consecutive games that he has played in. How many more times will it happen if we do not stand up and object to this?

To underline what I said yesterday about the various yellow cards that have been rescinded:-

 

The Numan incident reported after the match:-

We have looked at the videotapes of the incidents and we are going to have a go at having the yellow card rescinded and, consequently, Arthur's suspension wiped out,' said Ogilvie.

'There is not an official avenue for appeals to cards by referees but we will have a go.'

Clouding the issue further is the possibility that Numan could receive an extra punishment for the way he threw his shirt onto the turf in disgust at the second yellow card in the 85th minute.

 

The Numan incident after Rangers “Appeal”:-

UEFA have quashed the one-match ban imposed on Rangers defender Arthur Numan following his sending off against Sturm Graz last week.

The Scottish champions successfully appealed against the first of his two yellow cards, which has now been revoked. …

 

Why people are getting mixed up about the red card/yellow card

The referee subsequently rescinded the second yellow card shown to Hamman for tugging the jersey of Robert Pires. Hamman thus escaped a one-match ban for his dismissal.

However, Poll - who received support from the FA, Premier League and fellow referees - was unrepentant about his decision to dismiss McAllister and Liverpool asked the panel to study the circumstances of his ordering off. The panel ruled that McAllister's red card should be reduced to yellow but the Premier League then asked the FA not to follow the panel's recommendation.

The League Managers' Association also put pressure on the FA to overrule the panel and FIFA got into the act by pointing out that the laws of the game do not permit a red card to be reduced to a yellow. The FA refused to ratify the panel's decision on Sept 2.

 

Yellow card rescinded for not diving:-

Didier Drogba has had his yellow card at Aston Villa rescinded by referee Rob Styles.

Didier Drogba has had his yellow card from Chelsea's match with Aston Villa rescinded by referee Rob Styles.

The African marksman was adjudged to have dived inside the box after a challenge with Ulises de la Cruz at Villa Park.

Chelsea fans were screaming for a penalty when Drogba hit the deck but Styles thought he had deliberately tried to win a spot kick, and booked the former Marseille striker.

However, after looking at the incident on video, Styles has decided that Drogba did not dive and has rescinded the yellow card.

Styles believes that Drogba was not deliberately trying to deceive him and the booking will not now count against the Ivory Coast international.

 

Who do we complain to about this?

[bigdan2003]

Have the useless fecks at The FA responded yet?