BridportOwl Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, SiJ said: Why do people have to keep conflating this with previous player indiscretions (for lack of a better word)? Yes, if we are playing a game of top trumps, then what Ross McCormick did about 15-years ago was worse than what Kurt Zouma did a few days back...but that doesn't mean Kurt Zouma shouldn't face serve criticism and some form of punishment and it also does not mean the reaction to what he did is misplaced or over the top. Animal cruelty is a terrible thing and Zouma deserves to be dragged over the hot coals for it. To be frank, he also deserves it for being so f*cking stupid too along with his brother. I'm just waiting for someone to say that all those appalled by his behaviour are snowflakes. That's where it is heading. There are people out there who just don't like people caring about things. You see it everywhere, as soon as someone speaks up on an issue they start to try and find flaws/inconsistencies in their views. For example: Oh, you are rising money for medicines for children in third world countries? What about old people in England? Oh, you are a vegan - would you kill a fly if it was in your house? The list goes on and on. The way they make themselves feel better about the fact they care about nothing is too attack those who do care about something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, Fairy Tail Owl said: Antonio says racism is worse than beating up a cat Well, he is not wrong is he, but that doesn't mean the response to what Zouma did is wrong either. It's more of a point that the authorities still seem to not take racism as seriously as they should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy Tail Owl Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just thought it was interesting were talking about whataboutism in here and then Antonio is like 'What about the racists?' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 hours ago, scram said: The trust he was a patron of for Lions has punted him now too Apparently not gone down well in France either - i've seen some calls for him to be prosecuted by them (dunno how that would work) - but up to 4 years in clink over there for that kind of abuse apparently Intended punning? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrickyTrev Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 I’m not really sure that it’s helpful Antonio trying to bring race into this. Surely fans can be outraged by both racism AND animal abuse, it’s not a competition for “whose the biggest victim”. It’s a silly comparison and it brings nothing to the debate. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Fairy Tail Owl said: Antonio says racism is worse than beating up a cat "Antonio making a really strong argument" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Bonvin Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 59 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: I’m not really sure that it’s helpful Antonio trying to bring race into this. Surely fans can be outraged by both racism AND animal abuse, it’s not a competition for “whose the biggest victim”. It’s a silly comparison and it brings nothing to the debate. Spot on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Dagenham suspend Zoumas brother who filmed the video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howards back Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Antonio should have answered the question that he was asked not asked another question. He’s probably his mate so he’s trying to deflect criticism away from him by bringing race into it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Dagenham suspend Zoumas brother who filmed the video. Good . Full story here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60339439 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 7 hours ago, SiJ said: Why do people have to keep conflating this with previous player indiscretions (for lack of a better word)? Yes, if we are playing a game of top trumps, then what Ross McCormick did about 15-years ago was worse than what Kurt Zouma did a few days back...but that doesn't mean Kurt Zouma shouldn't face serve criticism and some form of punishment and it also does not mean the reaction to what he did is misplaced or over the top. Animal cruelty is a terrible thing and Zouma deserves to be dragged over the hot coals for it. To be frank, he also deserves it for being so f*cking stupid too along with his brother. I'm just waiting for someone to say that all those appalled by his behaviour are snowflakes. That's where it is heading. As the person who first mentioned Luke McCormick in his thread, I think the issue here - and the point I was trying to make - is the clear and irrational different reaction that the Zouma case has engendered in the footballing fraternity and the public at large. And no, I am not a snowflake, I am as appalled by animal cruelty as the next man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: "Antonio making a really strong argument" Trying way too hard.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fairy Tail Owl Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: "Antonio making a really strong argument" animals rights stem from a deep rooted system of white supremacy 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Fairy Tail Owl said: Antonio says racism is worse than beating up a cat bet the cat dont think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 To be fair to Antonio, there definitley seems to be more people calling for Zouma to be sacked than players that were accused of or even proven to be racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Which players were proven to be racist? Suarez was accused and Liverpool players wore tshirts in his defence and their fans chanted his name when opposition players who were black had the ball. FF wasn't proven but still got banned on basis of one man's word against another. Racism from the stands has been highlighted many times and the authorities do very little about it. As for player on player racism I can't think of the other incidents. Anyone? I see the point Antonio is making but it seems a bit of a strange comparison. Zouma abused animals on film and laughed about it. That's not good or acceptable because neanderthals are racist. Racists and abusers both need to be punished. We lock up tax evaders even though murderers kill people and they're 2 very different crimes. Scared to post this in case anyone finds any of the above offensive or if I've totally missed the point. No offense intended, I'm just processing it in my head. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy Tail Owl Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, latemodelchild said: Which players were proven to be racist? Suarez was accused and Liverpool players wore tshirts in his defence and their fans chanted his name when opposition players who were black had the ball. FF wasn't proven but still got banned on basis of one man's word against another. Racism from the stands has been highlighted many times and the authorities do very little about it. As for player on player racism I can't think of the other incidents. Anyone? I see the point Antonio is making but it seems a bit of a strange comparison. Zouma abused animals on film and laughed about it. That's not good or acceptable because neanderthals are racist. Racists and abusers both need to be punished. We lock up tax evaders even though murderers kill people and they're 2 very different crimes. Scared to post this in case anyone finds any of the above offensive or if I've totally missed the point. No offense intended, I'm just processing it in my head. You shouldn't be scared to post anything 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, latemodelchild said: Which players were proven to be racist? Suarez was accused and Liverpool players wore tshirts in his defence and their fans chanted his name when opposition players who were black had the ball. FF wasn't proven but still got banned on basis of one man's word against another. Racism from the stands has been highlighted many times and the authorities do very little about it. As for player on player racism I can't think of the other incidents. Anyone? I see the point Antonio is making but it seems a bit of a strange comparison. Zouma abused animals on film and laughed about it. That's not good or acceptable because neanderthals are racist. Racists and abusers both need to be punished. We lock up tax evaders even though murderers kill people and they're 2 very different crimes. Scared to post this in case anyone finds any of the above offensive or if I've totally missed the point. No offense intended, I'm just processing it in my head. I don't think it's offensive mate at all. I was just thinking out loud really too. I was just trying to think of it from Antonio's point of view where he will likely have suffered from racism during his life and career, sees very little being done and now he is setting more uproar, from his perspective, from the thing that Zouma did than when there has been incidents of racism. Not saying he is right or wrong really but just trying to picture it from his point of view. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 47 minutes ago, latemodelchild said: As for player on player racism I can't think of the other incidents. Anyone? Wasn't there a keeper a few years back, after Fessi? Possibly West Ham? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, markg said: I don't think it's offensive mate at all. I was just thinking out loud really too. I was just trying to think of it from Antonio's point of view where he will likely have suffered from racism during his life and career, sees very little being done and now he is setting more uproar, from his perspective, from the thing that Zouma did than when there has been incidents of racism. Not saying he is right or wrong really but just trying to picture it from his point of view. Its just a nonsensical argument, he could’ve started going on about Boris’s lockdown parties or how Russia shouldn’t be allowed to invade Ukraine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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