Inspector Lestrade Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: You should offer this advice to every other club mate - they're all doing it wrong I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Of course it happens but it's a gamble, tie a player down who then turns out not to be the standard required. Thats happened here and elsewhere. We gave some of our u23 squad new contracts over last 5 years and they never made the jump to 1st team. We have handed dawson a long term deal and wow he is shocking. Look at what deal hirst got at leicester 10grand a wk and has yet to score in english football despite all the big ing him up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, morganowl said: Thats happened here and elsewhere. We gave some of our u23 squad new contracts over last 5 years and they never made the jump to 1st team. We have handed dawson a long term deal and wow he is shocking. Look at what deal hirst got at leicester 10grand a wk and has yet to score in english football despite all the big ing him up Yeah it's a gamble, I guess sometimes you have to go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Yeah it's a gamble, I guess sometimes you have to go for it. for me it's down to simply: Do you trust your coaches Do you trust in your coaching setup/academy Do you trust the players talent Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: for me it's down to simply: Do you trust your coaches Do you trust in your coaching setup/academy Do you trust the players talent Yep agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbear1867 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, morganowl said: Thats happened here and elsewhere. We gave some of our u23 squad new contracts over last 5 years and they never made the jump to 1st team. We have handed dawson a long term deal and wow he is shocking. Look at what deal hirst got at leicester 10grand a wk and has yet to score in english football despite all the big ing him up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, Inspector Lestrade said: Yeah it's a gamble, I guess sometimes you have to go for it. I think not having a proper youth acadamy manager like the one who left for america 6 years ago is a problem ,our u18 u23 squads have rotted since no investment . How many of us thought 12months ago give shaw a deal? I thought it was connor grant who was tipped for stardom, he aint progressed at all , its called thinking your something before you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, morganowl said: I think not having a proper youth acadamy manager like the one who left for america 6 years ago is a problem ,our u18 u23 squads have rotted since no investment . How many of us thought 12months ago give shaw a deal? I thought it was connor grant who was tipped for stardom, he aint progressed at all , its called thinking your something before you are. Yeah needs another revamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, morganowl said: I think not having a proper youth acadamy manager like the one who left for america 6 years ago is a problem ,our u18 u23 squads have rotted since no investment . How many of us thought 12months ago give shaw a deal? I thought it was connor grant who was tipped for stardom, he aint progressed at all , its called thinking your something before you are. Agrre..the youth coaches are such important roles at a club..we tend to just give it anybody whos been demoted from other duties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
should know better Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The press are reporting Celtic are trying to sign Joseph from Wigan on a pre contract deal is it possible they feel this is better value than developing their own talent. Do we have someone in place with a budget that can "pinch/entice" other teams development players or maybe everything has to go through the chairman and takes an awful long time. The point with Hirst was the club set back his development and if rumours are true they could have sold him rather than force the issue of him moving abroad. It is likely Barnsley or United would have managed the situation better and made money, didn't united get a million for Jordan Slew. With the number of goals Hirst jnr got at club and country level we should have profited more from the situation but undoubtedly it needed better management. Just hope we can observe how the better run clubs manage their assets and learn something for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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owl_83 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, should know better said: The press are reporting Celtic are trying to sign Joseph from Wigan on a pre contract deal is it possible they feel this is better value than developing their own talent. Do we have someone in place with a budget that can "pinch/entice" other teams development players or maybe everything has to go through the chairman and takes an awful long time. The point with Hirst was the club set back his development and if rumours are true they could have sold him rather than force the issue of him moving abroad. It is likely Barnsley or United would have managed the situation better and made money, didn't united get a million for Jordan Slew. With the number of goals Hirst jnr got at club and country level we should have profited more from the situation but undoubtedly it needed better management. Just hope we can observe how the better run clubs manage their assets and learn something for the future. I think this is where Chansiri's lack of football knowledge bites us on the backside. He is far too reactive and is not proactive. He has not got the foresight to do this. He doesn't look two to three years in the future and try to bring on players. He would much rather pay big money for crocks. Instead we have a glorified player agent doing this for us and his only incentive is to make money for himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: "We are currently investigating this matter and will consider if there are any further steps available to protect the club’s interest." There are Make the club a place where players want to play, and at the same time make contract offers that they want to sign before any other clubs do Sounds way too complicated for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Don’t want him anyway. We got super Sam instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I think the major part of the statement is being overlooked. The part about Celtic are now no longer corresponding since the manager was sacked is the most revealing. The legal action is surely related to this. If Celtic are now not interested or are having second thoughts and wasting time that both swfc and player could be using to sort a new contract here or look at other clubs interest in Shaw. This has to be what legal avenues are being looked at. This could and looks very likely to have been a bit of luck on our part and I can see Shaw now staying with us. If Celtic still want him they showing a strange way of going about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, sherlyegg said: Tapping up Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee. 1 hour ago, Loppy said: Fifa regulations article IV. 18. 3 A professional shall only be free to conclude a contract with another club if his contract with his present club has expired or is due to expire within six months. The other stipulation of rule 18.3 is they (Celtic) have to contact the player's current club in writing before talking to the player or his agent. The question is did they speak to Wednesday first or Shaw first? '18.3 A club intending to conclude a contract with a professional must inform the player’s current club in writing before entering into negotiations with him. A professional shall only be free to conclude a contract with another club if his contract with his present club has expired or is due to expire within six months. Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 How did all these ops know this already ?? I read a lot of comments saying this is old news. The fact Celtic are not returning our calls now and some knew this 6 weeks ago is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, Harrysgame said: Why the mocking. So Celtic renege an agreement to keep quiet. But still some want to blame the club....supporters eh. I don't blame the club. I blame the narcissistic buffoon that is systematically destroying the club from top to bottom with his ridiculous clownery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Shame we didn’t extend his contract after he made his debut vs Boro. Should be standard practice now. Been done to death now but when a player chooses to leave in a manner that ensures we don’t get paid properly then it leaves a bitter taste for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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