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  1. One of the best scoring records in the junior category that we have had in recent years. Very good scoring record for England youth and named in the team of the tournament at the Toulan competition suggests he was very promising. Possibly the wrong club and manager at the time to further his development, if he had been at the dark side of the city or Barnsley he might have been sold for £25 M. Remember Carlos bombing out Lewis Mcgugan and Lavery who had shown promise with us, but he had his chosen few meaning it was difficult even for Rhodes and Winnall to get in the team. Hirst should have been loaned out to develop just like when Tottenham were not sure Kane was good enough. In hindsight the situation was handled very badly but for years we have been poor at realising value for our players something that United and Barnsley are much better at.
  2. Reach had all the tools but not the desire and would have been an expensive luxury in this division. His wages may have unsettled some of the other players in the squad. When he first arrived he burst past the opposition with a bit of power and pace (in an inside left type position and caused the opposition problems) as he got comfortably established in the squad he played well, but within himself I thought. This last season was an embarrassment and he should be ashamed of his efforts. To watch him and Bannan get ripped apart by an average championship winger in our left back area time and again was depressing to watch. He became a leg dangler and shirker of tackles and just played when he felt like it. He has the engine and physique to be so much better and may be more suited to another challenge and indeed it might be the case that WBA are defensively tougher to penetrate allowing Reach to stay up the field. There is a player there when motivated time will tell if he is a success at WBA, but in our current situation I'm glad he has gone.
  3. In the past whenever we have been struggling other clubs appear to have been able to pick up our players on the cheap. It is possible that Swansea are sounding out Bannan on the basis we let him leave for free to save on wages, much like Borners situation. Brentford may have been thinking along the same line.a; The offers for Windass also looked opportunistic.
  4. They (pundits) are even more gushing as regards Jordan Rhodes whenever he comes on the pitch, however Jordan probably suffered from a lack of service in part due to Bannan being more suited to the long ball and a Fletcher type of player. Bannan confuses and stifles the defence by coming back into them he is then more or less having to play a longer ball type game. Bannan and Reach were probably the worst defenders we had last season, but both insisted in dropping back and allowing teams to pin us back. He doesn't understand that he does not need to come to the ball all the time and should find a space between the lines when we have possession. So supporters of Bannan realise he cant defend, is positionally unsafe (defensively) and not that good in ariel duels. He can't shoot rarely scores and seldom assists. He has very good close control and can manipulate the ball well and that is enough entertainment for some people. He does not get in and around the opposition box nor score despite being given a free role and may well be suited to the style of another team where he is a cog rather than the wheel. I will still be surprised if he is not at the start of the season.
  5. I don't expect there to be a lot of interest in Bannan therefore I'm hoping he has found his level and can be more effective this season. With the amount of possession he has in matches he needs to do much better with it. He needs to play further up the field and be braver about supporting the forwards. There is interest in Windass and if Iorfa gets back to the standard he was then because of his raw pace he will be in demand too. I would happily let BB go as I believe he stifles us and slows play down too much, I would like Iorfa to stay and as for Windass it depends on the amount offered anything north of 2m might sway the decision.
  6. There is a possibility that the likes of Odabajo and Brown might do better in sides that are not as "long ball" as we have been. Preston appear to be better at spotting talent than us.
  7. I don't think we can sell him though ,may have to give him away. He has good close control but no football intelligence. The net result is he is pleasing on the eye but the team suffers. If BB comes back it is because the rest of the team is not good enough but if Rhodes comes back as the only supply is fight/long balls then Rhodes is useless. I have stated for many seasons professional scouts will be reluctant to recommend BB as there is little end product. I(f we get any sort of fee then we should be delighted.
  8. There has o be a buyer or someone willing to pay those wages for someone who has had a terrible season, can't shoot, score, assist or defend, it is why he is still with us.
  9. If Tom Lees had not put the ball in his own net we would not have needed pens, did Huddersfield score from open play apart from that in the play offs. If we had gone to the final though Carlos would have played for a draw and we would probably have lost the final on pens. If only Carlos hadn't turned negative after Hull and Boro had success with less stylish football. Carlos also got Swansea into a position to stay up and then went defensive and blew it too.
  10. He was not a natural striker and had only a fraction of the finishing ability of young Hirst, struggled to sort his feet out around the six yard box. His physicality was his strength early on but as the oppositions centre backs grew they could compete with his muscle and outpace him in open play and therefore his impact was much reduced.
  11. They might play him off a target man rather than use him as one, plus there is more creativity in Hudders midfield than ours and maybe less of the bang it and chase balls.
  12. A Jack Bannan, a propensity to chase the ball and no spatial awareness when he doesn't have the ball!
  13. Ivan Toney a player highly regarded took quite a while to get going, his stats for Barnsley show 1 in 15, but he was loaned out a number of times. It might also be the case that whilst playing for Peterborough and Brentford they created far more chances for him than some of the clubs he was loaned to, no one can argue with young Hirst's stats for us or young England before the standoff took place. Both club and player possibly lost out.
  14. More ability and more speed than Palmer at RB or RWB, doubt he has ever been fully fit with us, but before his last injury was showing promising signs. It is a real problem for Moore does he keep the ones that after a few weeks of the season will be shown to be lower end L1 standard, amongst them JP TL KH and LP, or does he gamble with people with possibly more ability but are injury prone like Luongo. There is also the possibility that an embargo may prevent him signing players so he may think it better to keep even the ones he does not rate in the absence of any replacements.
  15. Is this because our creative midfielder lacks football intelligence or is it the coaching plan to kick for touch?
  16. You cannot compare BB to Sheridan, not in the same ball park. BB not as effective as Megson or Shelton or indeed Wilson. Palmer and Sheridan were way above the standard of Bannan and played at a level above. There are different ways of playing, anyone watching the two champions league semi finals would have noticed that the flair players for Madrid and PSG did not have the discipline or football awareness to track back and so the more disciplined Chelsea and City teams prevailed. If you like a long ball style individual game then I suppose BB brings that if you prefer to see a more shared team performance then you can quite clearly see the weakness of Bannan. It is not hating by the way, I think Tom Lees and Palmer are nice people (maybe JP is too) but they are just not good enough as footballers, someone like John Terry appears to be a nasty piece of work but I would have him in my side.
  17. We can have opinions all we want but the stats show him as one of the all time greats of the championship in outright and goals per minute. This despite playing for two long ball sides far more suited to a big target man. The only other player in our side that might be considered up there is Westwood with his clean sheet records. Our style does not suit him it was, getting better (the football) under Moore but equally if we had kept Joao he would not be in double figures with our lack of creativity and numbers we get in the box. LJ used as a target man does not work just as it does not suit Rhodes.
  18. Agreed but unfortunately he does not suit our long ball style, if we continue to play that way we need a younger Fletcher.
  19. Stats show Pelupessy up there he also must be an absolute keep therefore, along with the not good enough Palmer, Lees and the "can't be bothered Reach. The 9 yellow cards show up that lack of discipline often highlighted when he goes charging at the opposition goalkeeper like a Jack Russell chasing a ball and losing team shape. Are the stats confirming per minute that JP is better? I appreciate there will be people on here who may think we should hang onto three of those who are panic struck with the ball at their feet and possibly Reach who is worried by the opposition getting near to him but, stats show they should be retained. I can't see a Bannan plus one (even Luongo, possibly better thought of when not playing) ever being as effective for the team as a Megson/Shelton or Wilson/Sheridan pairing but it remains to be seen.
  20. It doesn't really matter the proof will be how much interest there is in him and at what price, that is to say what do professional advisors value him at. I'm not expecting a 25m James Maddison valuation although I recall the statement he "wouldn't get in our team above BB" quote, the same with Hourihane who made Winnall a one in two man or any of the more recent Wilder midfielders.
  21. The point people are making is he is the playmaker and dictates a lot of our play but it has not proved to work. For most of the past 18 months we have looked like a schoolboy team where everyone gives the ball to the popular/captain type player and he punts it, he also takes all the free kicks corners. His stats might show he has got ten percent more assist than anyone else but he has had 90 percent of the attempts. The captain comes to take the ball off players who can pass it if required, if he found a pocket further up field between the lines they could even give it to him in an advanced position and he might do more damage. He is drawn too easily to the ball and wishes to play in the easier areas at the back, he encourages our long ball style.
  22. Bannan has a good fitness record with out doubt he is just not effective and clueless positionally. He has been a liability playing left back alongside Reach in recent matches as players waltz by him, he does not track well. He doesn't have the capacityof dragging us up like Mooy, Cairney and Shelvey did for their teams. I notice when he cocked up in in midfield Saturday when the player attempted to go around Westwood no one blamed him as usual.
  23. Wilder was when he recruited some of the players who dominated our midfield when they came up, at the time the usual rubbish was spouted that none of them were fit to lace Bannan's boots yet they obviously were. So the point is there is and will be more effective midfielders in L1.
  24. And his midfield blew us away on the way to a top ten ish finish then promotion. If you prefer the long ball way of playing that Bb engenders then that is ok, as every year we will see what other clubs feel he is worth to them.
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