dr. benway Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Where’s Snooty again? He’s not on the panel is he? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, mkowl said: The difference is that there is a lot more at stake with this. This is not just SWFC you are questioning but a whole raft of professional advisors who contributed to this. The accountants, auditors, lawyers and valuers. They will not lie down and have their bellies tickled by the EFL / Panel on the balance of probability. There are professional regulations to follow and threat of disciplinary action if you haven't, I would throw in professional indemnity insurance into the mix as well. The question of the validity of the date of the stadium sale transaction is key to all this. It is a matter of judgement of the evidence. If it follows the requirements of accounting standards to be in that year, it goes in that year. Its a bit like locking horns with HMRC. You argue the accounting principles. Incredibly dull but pivotal. I have no idea on this because the key bit of evidence will never be seen. The contract for sale. yes I'm still standing hopeful on their professional reputations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 In my opinion A points deduction this late in the season is unfair on everyone It's unfair on Wednesday because it could well relegate us, and we've no time left to attain the points needed to save us If the points deduction isn't enough to relegate us, the clubs that go down will say it is unfair on them I think the EFL will wait until the season is over They will then relegate us automatically if we are found guilty Or give us a stiff talking to if they think we've acted outside of the spirit of the game The rules on FFP are not fit for purpose I don't see how you can have an even playing field, which is what FFP was put in place for, whilever teams that come down are given parachute payments Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Bulgaria said: Absolutely. Just finished listening to a podcast ( because I can't sleep,) with that wally Robbie Savage called 606 on five live. With all the issues and talking points going on with football right now and all they have debated for the last hour is whether Man Utd will finish above Liverpool next season with a collection of pubescent callers. 606 used to be fantastic with Alan Green, it's now just a show designed for 15 year olds who support a top 6 club. Boils my pisss. Mate get netflix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modfather100 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mkowl said: The difference is that there is a lot more at stake with this. This is not just SWFC you are questioning but a whole raft of professional advisors who contributed to this. The accountants, auditors, lawyers and valuers. They will not lie down and have their bellies tickled by the EFL / Panel on the balance of probability. There are professional regulations to follow and threat of disciplinary action if you haven't, I would throw in professional indemnity insurance into the mix as well. The question of the validity of the date of the stadium sale transaction is key to all this. It is a matter of judgement of the evidence. If it follows the requirements of accounting standards to be in that year, it goes in that year. Its a bit like locking horns with HMRC. You argue the accounting principles. Incredibly dull but pivotal. I have no idea on this because the key bit of evidence will never be seen. The contract for sale. Agreed but my concern is that I would expect we have done some creative accounting - the issue is that we believe we got that ratified by the EFL prior to doing so. Then there is the over valuation of the ground. So it is these points, aside from the accounting issue - that have an element of judgement to them and I would guess that there is disagreements on the panel as to firstly the level of guilt or innoncence for us on both and then the level of punishment as a result. What I don't know is have they asked the club or EFL for any further evidence or witness statements etc? Thats the thing that I don't get as surely if they had that would have been reported on. They have all the evidence they need so what the bloody hell are they playing at. Is it because they want to wait and administer punishments next season in the Championship for say us, Derby and Villa? So they are waiting all hearings and for Villa to come down and then we all get points depending on how far we've each been on the naughty step? Is it because of covid they have thought it unfair to do it this season? Ir have the panel not even got round to starting to review the case yet because if covid backlogs etc. I suspect it may be the first and they aren't telling us as they dont want the ire of clubs fighting relegation. Once it comes out then Barnsley Hull and Luton will be an easy three to tell to pipe down. Edited July 18, 2020 by Modfather100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Whatever happens it won’t be enough to save Barnsley. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: In my opinion A points deduction this late in the season is unfair on everyone It's unfair on Wednesday because it could well relegate us, and we've no time left to attain the points needed to save us If the points deduction isn't enough to relegate us, the clubs that go down will say it is unfair on them I think the EFL will wait until the season is over They will then relegate us automatically if we are found guilty Or give us a stiff talking to if they think we've acted outside of the spirit of the game The rules on FFP are not fit for purpose I don't see how you can have an even playing field, which is what FFP was put in place for, whilever teams that come down are given parachute payments Good assessment apart from if the points deduction wasn't big enough to relegate us I can't see how the clubs that are relegated have much room for complaint. They have had all season to amass as many points as possible which is every clubs ultimate aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 How can clubs sue the EFL for cases that have nothing to do with them, they dont see the evidence , they dont sit on the panel, its a complete joke. We could be given minus 100 points and Barnsley are still relegated. If clubs are going on to rely on points deduction to save their skin then we may as well pack in playing. I guess if points deduction are going to become the "norm" then surely they should always happen at the beginning of a season , then there is no faffing around also there would have to be exceptions were a club cannot be promoted if they are charged to stop situations like Wolves, Villa, Bournemouth etc. On the whole is a complete mess and the EFL should scrap it,its clear to everyone its not fit for purpose. Wage & transfer fee capping is the way forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: In my opinion A points deduction this late in the season is unfair on everyone It's unfair on Wednesday because it could well relegate us, and we've no time left to attain the points needed to save us If the points deduction isn't enough to relegate us, the clubs that go down will say it is unfair on them I think the EFL will wait until the season is over They will then relegate us automatically if we are found guilty Or give us a stiff talking to if they think we've acted outside of the spirit of the game The rules on FFP are not fit for purpose I don't see how you can have an even playing field, which is what FFP was put in place for, whilever teams that come down are given parachute payments The rules may not be fit for purpose, but the majority of clubs manage to work within them, whether they like it or not. Our owner, like some others, chose a spending model that simply wasn't sustainable in the current framework. So if we are hoping that change will come about because a handful of clubs can't reign in the chequebook, then we might be waiting for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 So after today it will be 1 game to go and still no decision. Absolutely shambolic. I just can’t see how they can now give us a point deduction that will send us down. If we have done wrong punish us but not with 1 game left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brissy-owl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: In my opinion A points deduction this late in the season is unfair on everyone It's unfair on Wednesday because it could well relegate us, and we've no time left to attain the points needed to save us If the points deduction isn't enough to relegate us, the clubs that go down will say it is unfair on them I think the EFL will wait until the season is over They will then relegate us automatically if we are found guilty Or give us a stiff talking to if they think we've acted outside of the spirit of the game The rules on FFP are not fit for purpose I don't see how you can have an even playing field, which is what FFP was put in place for, whilever teams that come down are given parachute payments Man city getting off just shows it's all a waste of time and down to back handers, chansiri get ur hand in pocket 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, gizowl said: Good assessment apart from if the points deduction wasn't big enough to relegate us I can't see how the clubs that are relegated have much room for complaint. They have had all season to amass as many points as possible which is every clubs ultimate aim. Unfortunately this is why I think a lot of people are misguided when they say the EFL etc won't take enough points off us to relegate us/won't take so many points off us that we don't still have to play for. It doesn't matter when the deduction happens. If we'd started on minus 12 we'd be in the mire now, even though we've had a full season to get enough points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: So after today it will be 1 game to go and still no decision. Absolutely shambolic. I just can’t see how they can now give us a point deduction that will send us down. If we have done wrong punish us but not with 1 game left. Doesn't matter how many games are left surely? If we're guilty the punishment is whatever it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brissy-owl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 minute ago, latemodelchild said: Doesn't matter how many games are left surely? If we're guilty the punishment is whatever it is. My thoughts exactly, guilty is guilty, we broke the rules so punish us, learn from it and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brissy-owl said: My thoughts exactly, guilty is guilty, we broke the rules so punish us, learn from it and move on This is my biggest fear though We won’t learn from it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brissy-owl said: My thoughts exactly, guilty is guilty, we broke the rules so punish us, learn from it and move on DC learning from anything. I doubt it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekimmyowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 It’s a bloody mess, if they decide to relegate us at the end of the season there will be appeal after appeal and will cost the EFL a fortune. if they give us 9,10, or even 12 points and we are still safe then is that really a punishment for us if guilty? cant help but think both parties have made errors and it’s a hung decision and SWFC & the EFL are working together so neither loses face. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brissy-owl said: My thoughts exactly, guilty is guilty, we broke the rules so punish us, learn from it and move on At what point did you see the evidence presented by Nick de Marco for the club ? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brissy-owl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: DC learning from anything. I doubt it. Stubborn twohat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Brissy-owl said: My thoughts exactly, guilty is guilty, we broke the rules so punish us, learn from it and move on How come we are guilty, what do you know we don't? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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