nevthelodgemoorowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Ronnie Starling said: I've been to the chippy at Manor Top which I think was run by Ray White and that tasted as though it had been warmed up. Loved the one on the corner of Windy house lane though, top chippy if you managed to avoid the burning cars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 4 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: Because apparently football doesn’t exist below the Premier League. Absolutely. Just finished listening to a podcast ( because I can't sleep,) with that wally Robbie Savage called 606 on five live. With all the issues and talking points going on with football right now and all they have debated for the last hour is whether Man Utd will finish above Liverpool next season with a collection of pubescent callers. 606 used to be fantastic with Alan Green, it's now just a show designed for 15 year olds who support a top 6 club. Boils my pisss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modfather100 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 6 hours ago, sherlyegg said: Think it's out of the efl's hand now..the panel can't make up their minds.... They need dismiss the case against..the efl obviously can't prove beyond reasonable doubt we did anything wrong... Genuine question if you or anyone knows as I don't - where does the burden of proof lie in such matters. I know in criminal court you have to be sure beyond reasonable doubt someone is guilty. In civil courts this shifts and it's all about likelihood of guilt given the evidence. What are the burden of proof rules at play here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Bulgaria said: Absolutely. Just finished listening to a podcast ( because I can't sleep,) with that wally Robbie Savage called 606 on five live. With all the issues and talking points going on with football right now and all they have debated for the last hour is whether Man Utd will finish above Liverpool next season with a collection of pubescent callers. 606 used to be fantastic with Alan Green, it's now just a show designed for 15 year olds who support a top 6 club. Boils my pisss. I agree, Talk sport is same, I stopped listening to that a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardiffowl06 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Talk Sport try to be outrageous and make statements to get a reaction out of fans. Doesn't really work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Ever the pessimist said: Hmmm. Not one for theories of deals between parties that don’t really give a dam either way... but I am beginning to think there is no way it’s coming before season end. Surely too much hassle for all concerned. I think it has got to, it's the only way to get closure otherwise the relegated clubs are going to go on and on with lawsuits etc. Proper Mcsue style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Modfather100 said: Genuine question if you or anyone knows as I don't - where does the burden of proof lie in such matters. I know in criminal court you have to be sure beyond reasonable doubt someone is guilty. In civil courts this shifts and it's all about likelihood of guilt given the evidence. What are the burden of proof rules at play here? It’s the same burden of proof as in the FF case. Guilty unless proven innocent if the EFL says so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, cardiffowl06 said: Talk Sport try to be outrageous and make statements to get a reaction out of fans. Doesn't really work. From the mouth of babes .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hirstysfags Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 If I was to drop a tasty (albeit completely made up) rumour, reckon we can get past 500 pages before full time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. benway Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, hirstysfags said: If I was to drop a tasty (albeit completely made up) rumour, reckon we can get past 500 pages before full time? See, this is the kind of sterling grit and determination this thread needs right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, Plonk said: It’s the same burden of proof as in the FF case. Guilty unless proven innocent if the EFL says so The difference is that there is a lot more at stake with this. This is not just SWFC you are questioning but a whole raft of professional advisors who contributed to this. The accountants, auditors, lawyers and valuers. They will not lie down and have their bellies tickled by the EFL / Panel on the balance of probability. There are professional regulations to follow and threat of disciplinary action if you haven't, I would throw in professional indemnity insurance into the mix as well. The question of the validity of the date of the stadium sale transaction is key to all this. It is a matter of judgement of the evidence. If it follows the requirements of accounting standards to be in that year, it goes in that year. Its a bit like locking horns with HMRC. You argue the accounting principles. Incredibly dull but pivotal. I have no idea on this because the key bit of evidence will never be seen. The contract for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Bulgaria said: Absolutely. Just finished listening to a podcast ( because I can't sleep,) with that wally Robbie Savage called 606 on five live. With all the issues and talking points going on with football right now and all they have debated for the last hour is whether Man Utd will finish above Liverpool next season with a collection of pubescent callers. 606 used to be fantastic with Alan Green, it's now just a show designed for 15 year olds who support a top 6 club. Boils my pisss. Was even better with Danny Baker and Danny Kelly 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Plonk said: It’s the same burden of proof as in the FF case. Guilty unless proven innocent if the EFL says so Except that FF was charged and punished by the FA, the EFL had no involvement in his case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 8 hours ago, pazowl55 said: The EFL dont want to relegate us or anyone for that matter via this means.. They just have to be seen to be doing the right thing by it all. On that basis I’d guess at a fine only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, York_Owl said: On that basis I’d guess at a fine only. If we get a fine then we have been found guilty of something. In which case we will get a points deduction I think. But it will not send us down. We will also get a fine on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spondon Owl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Its madness that we still don't know anything. Absolute madness. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, pazowl55 said: If we get a fine then we have been found guilty of something. In which case we will get a points deduction I think. But it will not send us down. We will also get a fine on top of that. The only scenario I can see that happening is that this goes to Alternative Dispute Resolution. Neither side wants to go down the incredibly expensive and time consuming process of litigation. So you basically compromise with no full admission of guilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howards back Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 11 hours ago, torryowl said: whats that mean ?.....if you give 100% and i think they did then you cant give any more . That’s where I think we will have to disagree. I don’t think they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 23 hours ago, Essix Blue said: 1000+ pages then stick another nought on just to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 12 hours ago, kevtheowl said: Some times you have to put your hands up, and say I need another DRINK !! not according to my doctor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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