heppers Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 On and off the pitch we are no further forward than we were under Dave Allen. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton9owl Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Yellowbelly said: That’s when you should show him the most support. The fans showing him more support won’t stop him making howlers and letting the team down repeatedly He’s not 17 years old and just starting to make his way in the professional game. How long do you offer your support to a keeper who hasn’t learnt yet to command his area and game after game still makes silly mistakes you’d probably expect from a keeper a lot younger than him. SWFC has always had good to great keepers regretfully Dawson will not be remembered in that category 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ian Posted June 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Jim said: Alright then. Bottom line when Dawson has been the regular number one in two consecutive seasons, our form has been relegation form. Yes but let’s support him has he lets in goal after goal after goal while we tumble down the league’s. I get what you’re saying but when do you turn round and say someone’s not up to it? You’ll have to help me out here You say Dawson has been the regular number one for 2 season.......and that during that time our form has been relegation from. But we’ve not been relegated How’s that work then? 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ian said: You’ll have to help me out here You say Dawson has been the regular number one for 2 season.......and that during that time our form has been relegation from. But we’ve not been relegated How’s that work then? Well you got me there haven’t you? Erm Westwood was reinstated at the halfway point of last season when the young Lev Yashin was conceding 2 goals a game. Surely we would gone down if we had stuck with Dawson but as you say we didn’t As for this season, if you don’t consider the stats for the second half of this season since young Lev was a regular as relegation form then you really must think Nuhiu is world class 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I find it incredible that in 2020 there are people with this level of logic in their brains Post not poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, heppers said: On and off the pitch we are no further forward than we were under Dave Allen. Think you are forgetting what it was like under Dave Allen. This lot have never had to make there own way to away matches. Wouldnt pay for hotels so traveled on the day! ( remember that Reading game where we was stuck in traffic and had to get changed on coach) had to supply there own meals at team lunch! Yep it's very much same! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Guest AndyOwl said: What on earth has he done right?! Negative tactics, plenty of one up front at home against teams we should have been easily beating and then failed to do so (if we're doing well he'll usually change it round so we are worse.). Poor team selections, ostracised players who we really could have done with playing, brought in very average loans, (then doesn't even really use them). He talks utter garbage in post match press conferences and pre match ones, often blasts players rather than taking blame himself. Has a worse win rate than Bullen, Jos, CC, Bruce. Why do people like this guy and trust him to build a squad, he's already destroyed the one we had. Stop talking sense, they don't like that on here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Jim said: Alright then. Bottom line when Dawson has been the regular number one in two consecutive seasons, our form has been relegation form. Yes but let’s support him has he lets in goal after goal after goal while we tumble down the league’s. I get what you’re saying but when do you turn round and say someone’s not up to it? For the record, Dawson has appeared in 64+3 games for Wednesday, conceding 90 goals; an average of 1.41 per game (not including when he came on from the bench). The average in the Championship (all games and all teams) over the last five years has been 1.29. Over the course of a full season, that would translate to 5.52 goals more than the average. So rather than relegation form, I would suggest it's a fraction below average. By contrast, Joe Wildsmith has played 34+1 times with 51 goals going past him; an average of 1.50. Judging goalkeepers like this seems pretty unreliable to me though. There's so many different factors that go into it. Have most of our opponents lately given up few goals because they've turned in a succession of world class displays? If you swapped Liverpool's and Norwich's custodians, would they concede a similar number of goals? Of course not, and the reasons for that would be largely completely independent of their performances either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzuki_San Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: For the record, Dawson has appeared in 64+3 games for Wednesday, conceding 90 goals; an average of 1.41 per game (not including when he came on from the bench). The average in the Championship (all games and all teams) over the last five years has been 1.29. Over the course of a full season, that would translate to 5.52 goals more than the average. So rather than relegation form, I would suggest it's a fraction below average. By contrast, Joe Wildsmith has played 34+1 times with 51 goals going past him; an average of 1.50. Judging goalkeepers like this seems pretty unreliable to me though. There's so many different factors that go into it. Have most of our opponents lately given up few goals because they've turned in a succession of world class displays? If you swapped Liverpool's and Norwich's custodians, would they concede a similar number of goals? Of course not, and the reasons for that would be largely completely independent of their performances either way. ...but factor Luhukay into Dawson's record...that's not fair. I mean, come on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, alanharper said: Yet the fans who've paid a lot of money to go to the games and criticise Monk because of that dire record and the state of the performances since Christmas are idiots, apparently. Any points deduction is because of Chansiri's inept running of the club, no question, but if we'd had even an average record in the league since Christmas we'd be in a position where the points deduction (assuming it's 9-12 points) wouldn't be putting us in grave danger of relegation. FFS get real, what puts us in grave danger is when half a million people turn up on Bournemouth beach with no facilities open. Win lose or draw watching Wednesday can be great, it can be harrowing but we love it ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, DJMortimer said: For the record, Dawson has appeared in 64+3 games for Wednesday, conceding 90 goals; an average of 1.41 per game (not including when he came on from the bench). The average in the Championship (all games and all teams) over the last five years has been 1.29. Over the course of a full season, that would translate to 5.52 goals more than the average. So rather than relegation form, I would suggest it's a fraction below average. By contrast, Joe Wildsmith has played 34+1 times with 51 goals going past him; an average of 1.50. Judging goalkeepers like this seems pretty unreliable to me though. There's so many different factors that go into it. Have most of our opponents lately given up few goals because they've turned in a succession of world class displays? If you swapped Liverpool's and Norwich's custodians, would they concede a similar number of goals? Of course not, and the reasons for that would be largely completely independent of their performances either way. What are our other keepers stats like? The one that broke the clean sheets record? Just for comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Shiregreenowl 80 said: Think you are forgetting what it was like under Dave Allen. This lot have never had to make there own way to away matches. Wouldnt pay for hotels so traveled on the day! ( remember that Reading game where we was stuck in traffic and had to get changed on coach) had to supply there own meals at team lunch! Yep it's very much same! No money for players , heading for league 1 and some very stupid decisions at the top. Seems pretty similar to me . At least it was affordable to watch back then 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 A mate who usually has a reasonable grasp on all matters as suggested -6 is the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: FFS get real, what puts us in grave danger is when half a million people turn up on Bournemouth beach with no facilities open. Win lose or draw watching Wednesday can be great, it can be harrowing but we love it ! He said 'grave danger of relegation', though. What's Bournemouth beach got to do with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbelly Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 9 hours ago, bolton9owl said: The fans showing him more support won’t stop him making howlers and letting the team down repeatedly He’s not 17 years old and just starting to make his way in the professional game. How long do you offer your support to a keeper who hasn’t learnt yet to command his area and game after game still makes silly mistakes you’d probably expect from a keeper a lot younger than him. SWFC has always had good to great keepers regretfully Dawson will not be remembered in that category Ok, let’s slaughter him. That’ll help surely?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 10 hours ago, heppers said: On and off the pitch we are no further forward than we were under Dave Allen. Nay, come on we have a massive scoreboard and a great playing surface. We didn't have them under DA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, mkowl said: A mate who usually has a reasonable grasp on all matters as suggested -6 is the deal. Is it Kieran Maguire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 10 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: Quality over Quantity, it's TUF when you don't have the right quality of friends Or even TUG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Roscoe P. Coltrane said: Is it Kieran Maguire I wouldn't trust Maguire to tell me today was Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 hours ago, james o connor said: No money for players , heading for league 1 and some very stupid decisions at the top. Seems pretty similar to me . At least it was affordable to watch back then There is a difference to no money and not aloud to spend money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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