@owlstalk Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Shiregreenowl 80 said: There is a difference to no money and not aloud to spend money Makes no difference if you either of them means you don't get new players 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Shiregreenowl 80 said: There is a difference to no money and not aloud to spend money And yet the practical implication is the same. Other clubs can spend resources to prevent their relegation. If we can't, it's either down to not having those financial resources or not being allowed to spend them... that only comes about by not planning correctly and that comes about by poor ownership. It takes a special sort of person to spend the amount of money Chansiri has spent in the last 5 years in the Championship and still manage to get his team relegated. We can only hope it doesn't happen. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 8 hours ago, DJMortimer said: For the record, Dawson has appeared in 64+3 games for Wednesday, conceding 90 goals; an average of 1.41 per game (not including when he came on from the bench). The average in the Championship (all games and all teams) over the last five years has been 1.29. Over the course of a full season, that would translate to 5.52 goals more than the average. So rather than relegation form, I would suggest it's a fraction below average. By contrast, Joe Wildsmith has played 34+1 times with 51 goals going past him; an average of 1.50. Judging goalkeepers like this seems pretty unreliable to me though. There's so many different factors that go into it. Have most of our opponents lately given up few goals because they've turned in a succession of world class displays? If you swapped Liverpool's and Norwich's custodians, would they concede a similar number of goals? Of course not, and the reasons for that would be largely completely independent of their performances either way. Point I’m trying to make is neither Dawson or Wildsmith for that matter are at Westwood’s level. Now that’s not a surprise because at the stage they’re at with their respective careers. That said the Chairman asks the fans to pay ticket prices that are or amongst the highest in the division. For this money the fans expect a decent team on the pitch. This means having your best goalkeeper on the pitch or at least a keeper of the same level? This simply isn’t happening at the moment and isn’t likely to anytime soon? If the plan is to play either Dawson or Wildsmith for the foreseeable future then we’re going to get more seasons like the last three including this one which doesn’t justify the current ticket prices? IMO if Westwood is on his way the most important signing for next season is an experienced championship keeper that is comparable to him if indeed the Chairman continues to insist we pay top dollar to watch the team? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Here we go again with the 'not allowed to spend money' myth Yet we still have a stadium that resembles a rust bucket and our academy hasn't seen any massive investment either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Just now, Grandad said: Here we go again with the 'not allowed to spend money' myth Yet we still have a stadium that resembles a rust bucket and our academy hasn't seen any massive investment either And therein lays the conundrum that really doesnt add up .... He's heavily invested in Aston Martin's Porsches Classic Mercedes Benz worth millions & millions But not splashed out on a "state of the art garage" to put them in ..... Mind you the cars were only leased and they've gone now ... So no need ..... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Grandad said: Here we go again with the 'not allowed to spend money' myth Yet we still have a stadium that resembles a rust bucket and our academy hasn't seen any massive investment either and his strange fondness for "multiple" year season tickets which do nothing for FFP but do keep cash coming in despite the club obviously not needing cash because the owner is "cash rich" 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Grandad said: Here we go again with the 'not allowed to spend money' myth Yet we still have a stadium that resembles a rust bucket and our academy hasn't seen any massive investment either I think the plan was always to move to a new stadium once promoted with new academy etc too. Apparently he has first shout on a perfect spot just off the M18 near Scunthorpe.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, kobayashi said: and his strange fondness for "multiple" year season tickets which do nothing for FFP but do keep cash coming in despite the club obviously not needing cash because the owner is "cash rich" Exactly Why sell off future revenue at heavily discounted terms to bring in cash that doesn't affect FFP - unless you're desperate for cashflow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Grandad said: Here we go again with the 'not allowed to spend money' myth Yet we still have a stadium that resembles a rust bucket and our academy hasn't seen any massive investment either totally agree. you wouldn’t hear as much criticism if we’d made mistakes on recruitment but in the background we saw real investment and improvements in the overall infrastructure of the club. we are absolutely back to where we were pre chansiri - arguably worst - the term stuart gray left behind is no worse than that which we’ll field this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, ka58 said: totally agree. you wouldn’t hear as much criticism if we’d made mistakes on recruitment but in the background we saw real investment and improvements in the overall infrastructure of the club. we are absolutely back to where we were pre chansiri - arguably worst - the term stuart gray left behind is no worse than that which we’ll field this afternoon. I'd say the team Gray left behind is considerably better, especially when you remove the loan players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, ka58 said: totally agree. you wouldn’t hear as much criticism if we’d made mistakes on recruitment but in the background we saw real investment and improvements in the overall infrastructure of the club. we are absolutely back to where we were pre chansiri - arguably worst - the term stuart gray left behind is no worse than that which we’ll field this afternoon. Hold that thought and you can see how far we have progressed. ....... about 2 foot 6 at a cost of £ millions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: And therein lays the conundrum that really doesnt add up .... He's heavily invested in Aston Martin's Porsches Classic Mercedes Benz worth millions & millions But not splashed out on a "state of the art garage" to put them in ..... Mind you the cars were only leased and they've gone now ... So no need ..... Indeed - it shows either two things: 1. DC didn't have a long term plan because his intention was PL and sell the club for a profit. 2. Get to PL and then invest in the infrastructure with the revenue, which would be valued and clawed back as part of any sale. The constant 'jam tomorrow' approach and no back up plan or interest in the infrastructure whilst in the Championship will ultimately damage him, us and the club. There's a good chance we simply tread water in the EFL leagues for another 10 years - what then? I don't think he will sell at a loss, so he's got to blink at some point and focus on a long-term club re-building plan not just lining the pockets of a few individuals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, Jim said: Point I’m trying to make is neither Dawson or Wildsmith for that matter are at Westwood’s level. Now that’s not a surprise because at the stage they’re at with their respective careers. That said the Chairman asks the fans to pay ticket prices that are or amongst the highest in the division. For this money the fans expect a decent team on the pitch. This means having your best goalkeeper on the pitch or at least a keeper of the same level? This simply isn’t happening at the moment and isn’t likely to anytime soon? If the plan is to play either Dawson or Wildsmith for the foreseeable future then we’re going to get more seasons like the last three including this one which doesn’t justify the current ticket prices? IMO twood is on his way the most important signing for next season is an experienced championship keeper that is comparable to him if indeed the Chairman continues to insist we pay top dollar to watch the team? Cant see us signing a keeper..dawson and wildsmith are tied down for the next few years..t thought at the time givin wildsmith a 5 year deal was a bit odd..and dawson has recently signed a 4 year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Grandad said: I'd say the team Gray left behind is considerably better, especially when you remove the loan players Always said with Chansiri's money and SG's contacts and knowledge of the English game we would be in the premier League now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 points today and a not guilty verdict tomorrow would be lovely 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Roscoe P. Coltrane said: Always said with Chansiri's money and SG's contacts and knowledge of the English game we would be in the premier League now. guess it would depend on who was actually signing the players though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Animis said: Indeed - it shows either two things: 1. DC didn't have a long term plan because his intention was PL and sell the club for a profit. 2. Get to PL and then invest in the infrastructure with the revenue, which would be valued and clawed back as part of any sale. The constant 'jam tomorrow' approach and no back up plan or interest in the infrastructure whilst in the Championship will ultimately damage him, us and the club. There's a good chance we simply tread water in the EFL leagues for another 10 years - what then? I don't think he will sell at a loss, so he's got to blink at some point and focus on a long-term club re-building plan not just lining the pockets of a few individuals. The damage has already been caused. look at the state of us. we’re 15th in the championship with a threadbare squad - currently in a disciplinary hearing facing a potential points deduction with 8 games to go. our results and performance have been in freefall since Xmas and the manager seems disliked by much of the fanbase. we don’t have any saleable assets on the playing staff and have some players on large salaries who aren’t good enough for the league we’re in. The horse has bolted. Edited June 28, 2020 by ka58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, ka58 said: The damage has already been caused. look at the state of us. we’re 15th in the championship with a threadbare squad - currently in a disciplinary hearing facing a potential points deduction with 8 games to go. our results and performance have been in freefall since Xmas and the manager seems disliked by much of the fanbase. we don’t have any saleable assets on the playing staff and have some players on large salaries who aren’t good enough for the league we’re in. The horse has bolted. Yep, its grim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffed Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, ka58 said: The damage has already been caused. look at the state of us. we’re 15th in the championship with a threadbare squad - currently in a disciplinary hearing facing a potential points deduction with 8 games to go. our results and performance have been in freefall since Xmas and the manager seems disliked by much of the fanbase. we don’t have any saleable assets on the playing staff and have some players on large salaries who aren’t good enough for the league we’re in. The horse has bolted. And yet people are blaming Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, Grandad said: Here we go again with the 'not allowed to spend money' myth Yet we still have a stadium that resembles a rust bucket and our academy hasn't seen any massive investment either Nonsense Grandad... we have out shiny new Niagara training complex, and the PRESTO scar on the Lepp is but a distant memory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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