malek Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: The only new players we seem to be getting linked to are ones that you would probably class as development players. Not sure how many would be ready for the first team. If they were development players at clubs higher up the league chain they don't have to be development players for us. I'm quite sure we brought in Dele-Bashiru to play first team football. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Bloxwich Owl said: I'm sure this story is 'fabric'ated..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, malek said: If they were development players at clubs higher up the league chain they don't have to be development players for us. I'm quite sure we brought in Dele-Bashiru to play first team football. From what you have seen of him is he ready for championship football in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentwalker Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: From what you have seen of him is he ready for championship football in your opinion? Not for me, but that's based on his supposed best bits YouTube video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hitcat said: I'm sure this story is 'fabric'ated..... It will all come out in the wash eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Maple Staple Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Should get him in as goalkeeper - plenty of clean sheets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewswfc Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 hours ago, New Maple Staple said: Should get him in as goalkeeper - plenty of clean sheets More likely he talks sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: From what you have seen of him is he ready for championship football in your opinion? In fairness why would a club sign a laddie who is nearly 21 to develop? At that age he should be ready to be playing in the first team. I’ve no idea if he is good enough but it doesn’t make sense for him to be in the development squad Edited August 8, 2020 by edinburghowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Our immediate priority should be to bring in players where we have obvious holes. Looking at the squad, that’s probably a left back, a defensive midfielder and at least 3 forwards. That has to be done, for so many years we’ve failed to address the shortcomings, while duplicating in other areas. That has to stop. After that, the recruitment falls into two categories, areas where we might like more depth, and then upgrading existing players if we can find better 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 11 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: isn’t this the account that said we where after Jesus. Not sure how reliable he is Yeah same account, if this one doesn't come off then we can bin S Lonor off, taking him with a pinch of salt as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Our immediate priority should be to bring in players where we have obvious holes. Looking at the squad, that’s probably a left back, a defensive midfielder and at least 3 forwards. That has to be done, for so many years we’ve failed to address the shortcomings, while duplicating in other areas. That has to stop. After that, the recruitment falls into two categories, areas where we might like more depth, and then upgrading existing players if we can find better If we're going to stick with wing backs then we probably need to acquire players who are a more natural fit for the position? I think the defensive midfielder is probably the most important signing as we need someone who can genuinely cover the defence. Conceding less goals is the only way we'll increase our chances of picking up points as I don't see us improving much goalscoring wise? We've been a 55-65 side for quite a while now. I don't expect us to get another striker in before pre-season training starts but we have to have at least 1 in before the end of the month. It sounds like Windass is the top target which may be down to the situation at Wigan but the best he'll score in a season is 15 and he would probably have to be at his level best to achieve that? Trying to get the best out of Rhodes yet again might have to be the way forward. I still think Liam Shaw will be converted to a target man early on in the season TBH? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jim said: If we're going to stick with wing backs then we probably need to acquire players who are a more natural fit for the position? I think the defensive midfielder is probably the most important signing as we need someone who can genuinely cover the defence. Conceding less goals is the only way we'll increase our chances of picking up points as I don't see us improving much goalscoring wise? We've been a 55-65 side for quite a while now. I don't expect us to get another striker in before pre-season training starts but we have to have at least 1 in before the end of the month. It sounds like Windass is the top target which may be down to the situation at Wigan but the best he'll score in a season is 15 and he would probably have to be at his level best to achieve that? Trying to get the best out of Rhodes yet again might have to be the way forward. I still think Liam Shaw will be converted to a target man early on in the season TBH? Scary, Windass and Rhodes, or converting any of the youngsters, has League One written all over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Scary, Windass and Rhodes, or converting any of the youngsters, has League One written all over it Can't imagine we wouldn't bring in a couple more in some capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Scary, Windass and Rhodes, or converting any of the youngsters, has League One written all over it I agree mate. It's hard to imagine not bringing in anyone but the landscape's changed. The days of acquiring the likes of Fletcher, Forestieri, Hooper, even Rhodes and Winnall are long gone. Financially it's difficult because of the EFL. The points deduction is going to make it even harder and also I don't know if the Chairman is up for it anymore? There's been understandably talk of a squad overhaul but it looks as though we'll be relying on players who have been on and off it for the last three years and given the current situation it makes next season looking like even more of a struggle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jim said: I agree mate. It's hard to imagine not bringing in anyone but the landscape's changed. The days of acquiring the likes of Fletcher, Forestieri, Hooper, even Rhodes and Winnall are long gone. Financially it's difficult because of the EFL. The points deduction is going to make it even harder and also I don't know if the Chairman is up for it anymore? There's been understandably talk of a squad overhaul but it looks as though we'll be relying on players who have been on and off it for the last three years and given the current situation it makes next season looking like even more of a struggle? Yes the landscape has changed but having decided he needed a total overhaul, he now has to deliver. The landscape has changed for all clubs. Yes we have the additional burden of the points deduction, but that was always a possibility, and certainly known about when Monk made his big clear out comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Who in their right mind is going to want to come and play for a club that's starting the season on -12 points, has DC and Paxo in charge and worse of all has the uninspiring Monk who blames everyone and everything but himself when things go wrong. Can see them queueing round the block to join this circus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, full fathom five said: Who in their right mind is going to want to come and play for a club that's starting the season on -12 points, has DC and Paxo in charge and worse of all has the uninspiring Monk who blames everyone and everything but himself when things go wrong. Can see them queueing round the block to join this circus Hmm, yes a reasonable assessment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Yes the landscape has changed but having decided he needed a total overhaul, he now has to deliver. The landscape has changed for all clubs. Yes we have the additional burden of the points deduction, but that was always a possibility, and certainly known about when Monk made his big clear out comments. The clearout comments were made before the pandemic so in a sense this may have an effect as many clubs perhaps can no longer afford the likes of Westwood, Rhodes, Reach, Lees, Bannan etc. even if they wanted them? I think 3 or 4 on that list aren't wanted but we are maybe stuck with them and if we are we need to use them and motivate them to play better than they have recently? First thing I'd do is recall Westwood, he's the only keeper we currently have that can handle the pressure. Going in to next season with either Wildsmith or Dawson as first choice is footballing suicide given the points deduction. Will the above paragraph happen? Well it needs to if we're to stand any chance of beating relegation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepcar_lights Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Going to be interesting to see how other clubs in Championship get on Gives you a sense of how we're comparing Are we reading about our rivals in the league making quality signings whilst we seem slow, or is it much of a muchness so far.... These are interesting times, kind of enjoying the ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jim said: The clearout comments were made before the pandemic so in a sense this may have an effect as many clubs perhaps can no longer afford the likes of Westwood, Rhodes, Reach, Lees, Bannan etc. even if they wanted them? I think 3 or 4 on that list aren't wanted but we are maybe stuck with them and if we are we need to use them and motivate them to play better than they have recently? First thing I'd do is recall Westwood, he's the only keeper we currently have that can handle the pressure. Going in to next season with either Wildsmith or Dawson as first choice is footballing suicide given the points deduction. Will the above paragraph happen? Well it needs to if we're to stand any chance of beating relegation? That may be the scenario, in which case there is a huge issue. We know that Monk cannot motivate, or coax a performance out of this group of players, and the only realistic hope was, that he could change the personnel If we are now saying it will be difficult for him to drastically change the dynamic, by bringing players in, then the obvious conclusion is, bring in a coach who can work with the existing players 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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