Birley Owl 1867 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, dkenyonqfc2 said: well I can 100% tell you you are way off, try half of that 25 then knock a bit more off you would be closer You know that how? The fact you think he's on less than 10k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) We also need to be mindful of not giving ourselves too much to do, recruitment wise The last thing we need is another double figure recruitment window Edited April 28, 2019 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, TheEnchanter said: Not an attractive deal for an injury prone footballer. If someone else offered 2 years i bet he'd move. Which is fair enough. Don't think there will be many clubs lining up good offers for players just coming back from injury like Lee same for Hooper. Clubs may offer them short term deals to asess them like Ipswich have done with Alan Judge, taken him for half a season, he has proved his fitness and has earned a longer contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, gurujuan said: We also need to be mindful of not giving ourselves too much to do, recruitment wise The last thing we need is another double figure recruitment window I shouldn't worry about recruitment most of it's been done apart from loan signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 depends if we are under embargo. If we are its an easy choice... sign him up This^^^ The restrictions for retaining players are much less significant than those for recruiting players. A player with the quality of Lee would cost a shed load in transfer fee and salary. We might as well take the risk with Lee or not recruit a replacement at all. You assume KL will be able to play 23 games, when it could well be that if he breaks down again it will be for months or worse. The only time you can replace players with bad injury records is when their contracts are up. Sad to say, he should be released. By the same token, you make the assumption that won’t be able to play 23 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 hours ago, dowls said: Lee was about to come on for Fessi, we were 3-1 down - Bruce wanted to try something different and see Lee in action, probably having accepted it looked unlikely we were going to turn it around. Then Fessi scores and lee pulled straight back on sub bench and we go on to draw equal at 3-3 sometime after this and Iorfa sending off he subs Lee on. It was a manager looking at trying something different and ensuring he’s given long term injured a run out. I think you missed my point pal, which was that he wouldn't have included him in a game and looked to give a long term injury a run out in your words if he wasn't seriously thinking about keeping him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Our central midfield for next season, even if Lee is retained looks decidedly weak Onomah Abdi Jones will depart. This leaves only Bannan and Pelupessy fit enough to start most games. Hutchinson and Lee cannot be relied on good as they can be. Hope we don’t go into next season like that but if under embargo may have to. Seems to me Lee’s retention might depend on whether we are allowed to recruit and strengthen under P&S rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 If we are being cautious as to what kind of new deal we offer Lee if any don’t you think other clubs are too? The most likely scenario is we offer him a short term contract to prove his fitness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Will it buggery I love KL as a player but his injury record is such so that unless we resign him for peanuts then he should be let go and i can't think of anyone who would argue the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 For those suggesting we cannot rely on Hutchinson and Lee, that’s fair enough, given their recent injury problems, but that leaves only Bannan as a candidate. So we’d need 2 starters for midfield, plus a couple of back up players to push them. When you consider, we might need a keeper, a couple of centre backs, a left back and options further forward, particularly if we are forced to sell the likes of Forestieri and Reach. Will we really be bringing in 10 players? Is there really any chance we will find 10 players who are better than the ones the replace? I’m not advising one way or the other, with regards to Lee, but merely asking people to be a bit more realistic about what they expect us to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, gurujuan said: For those suggesting we cannot rely on Hutchinson and Lee, that’s fair enough, given their recent injury problems, but that leaves only Bannan as a candidate. So we’d need 2 starters for midfield, plus a couple of back up players to push them. When you consider, we might need a keeper, a couple of centre backs, a left back and options further forward, particularly if we are forced to sell the likes of Forestieri and Reach. Will we really be bringing in 10 players? Is there really any chance we will find 10 players who are better than the ones the replace? I’m not advising one way or the other, with regards to Lee, but merely asking people to be a bit more realistic about what they expect us to do This is an very pertinent question. It is ultimately more difficult for us to recruit than retain. We have some deadwood players that should leave because they offer nothing when fit but Kieran Lee does offer a lot. If the club medical staff are convinced he is fully recovered or will fully recover then we should not be scared of offering him a contract extension - many players return successfully from a long term injury layoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, shandypants said: This is an very pertinent question. It is ultimately more difficult for us to recruit than retain. We have some deadwood players that should leave because they offer nothing when fit but Kieran Lee does offer a lot. If the club medical staff are convinced he is fully recovered or will fully recover then we should not be scared of offering him a contract extension - many players return successfully from a long term injury layoff. He is a good player on his day, as Westwood and Hooper, but it would be wrong to break the bank to keep them. Your not going to get anywhere near 46 games out of any of the 3,so we'll need better players than we've got now to play when their out, Dawson isn't a good enough stand in for Westwood, that's been proven over this season, so if you keep them you've also got to bring in adequate cover, extra expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, shandypants said: This is an very pertinent question. It is ultimately more difficult for us to recruit than retain. We have some deadwood players that should leave because they offer nothing when fit but Kieran Lee does offer a lot. If the club medical staff are convinced he is fully recovered or will fully recover then we should not be scared of offering him a contract extension - many players return successfully from a long term injury layoff. Yes it could be that we may have to take a gamble on a one or two of our existing players, who perhaps haven’t had the best of luck injury wise. If we want to upgrade a few positions, where we feel we are short, I’d rather us concentrate on getting the best we can for those positions. I’d rather Bruce be able to concentrate his efforts on bringing in 5 or 6 quality players, rather than the mass upheaval we’ve seen in recent seasons. It has to be quality over quantity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowls Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, keepitsteel89 said: I think you missed my point pal, which was that he wouldn't have included him in a game and looked to give a long term injury a run out in your words if he wasn't seriously thinking about keeping him.. He’s doing as all managers should .. look at available assets when the time is right. I don’t think we can read anything into Lee appearance at all. I do think we can read more into Winnall lack of game time and fact we offered him chance of another loan in January mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spondon Owl Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 8 hours ago, TheEnchanter said: You have to weigh it up. He's played 42 games in 3 seasons. Thats all you can go on. Is it worth using his wages to bring someone in who may not be as talanted but is available for selection and fits how Bruce wants to play or keeping a 30 game at best Kieran Lee? I'm starting to think we need to be ruthless and get a fit as hell squad thats smaller and more together than any of the squads we've had in the Chansiri era. I'm not sure we could achieve that with the constant changing that having so many injured players have forced us into. With resources tight id be tempted to let him go. Almost feel the same with Hooper. We need no sentiments here but I trust Bruce to make the hard decisions this summer. I can't wait personally, stagnation has set in for ages with this bunch. I guess the flip side is.. Hooper is class. Absolutely class. It's difficult to find players of a similar calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Great player, didn’t take long on his return to remind us of his quality. But it’s a pay as you play deal for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Kieran Lee will never accept a pay as you pay deal. No footballer would, especially one of his calibre. He will no doubt get offers if we don’t extend his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pussface said: Great player, didn’t take long on his return to remind us of his quality. But it’s a pay as you play deal for me. Just so you are aware, pay as you play deals dont exist. There are appearance bonus. Edited April 28, 2019 by daleblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, daleblue said: Just so you are aware, pay as you play deals dont exist. Then sadly we have to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) Out all that time .... ...and then ghosts in and nearly nabs the winner. The knack for timing hasn't been lost. Edited April 28, 2019 by Lord Snooty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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