Eastleigh Owl Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 hours ago, @owlstalk said: This whole smokescreen about the Wednesday family and Carlos and Chansiri being abused on the internet Its made me really angry I knew early this morning Carlos had gone and have been in the cinema and restaurant all day and night so not been online much As a result have had time to reflect on the nonsensical rant that our Chairman delivered in the early hours, knowing it was a precursor to Carlos leaving To even try and suggest our fans have had any part to play in Carlos leaving is an absolute disgrace to me and total bull The blaming of fans for a toxic atmosphere at the club is simply unbelievable and I’m not buying it Our fans this season have been the most patient tolerant and understanding fans a struggling Manager could ever have wished to have on their side To then even mention them when parting company with the Manager is nothing short of scandalous what should have happened is the chairman should have explained that the manager and Club have parted company, wished Carlos well )because he is a top guy, and thanked fans for their ongoing support Instead we get a tirade that seems to suggest that the chairman is genuinely shocked that fans would be unhappy with what’s happened this year at the club. Its not the fans fault that we are where we are in the league In fact we have struggled DESPITE top class support Home and Away Its not our fault the stripes are not on the shirts of Sheffield Wednesday Its not our fault players are injured despite the entire medical team being put out of work in the summer It’s not our fault the players don’t play happy positive attacking football its not our fault the kits were late and then out of stock Its not our fault the anniversary pre season games didn’t materialise Its not our fault that the shirt sizes have changed to some random sizes meaning loads of returns It’s not our fault the anniversary watches were oversold and refunds and other items had to be offered instead its not our fault that the exec boxes aren’t sold out Irs not our fault that players are playing like they’re unhappy It’s not our fault that fans are angry at being totally priced out of going to the matches its not our fault that those who can afford to go are angry at the prices they are being asked to pay - we didn’t put the prices up None is this season is the fault of ANY fan and it’s a disgrace to suggest so Fans should not be taking this nonsense about it being any fault of the fans whatsoever never mind putting it forward as a reason to other fans The whole thing is a total smokescreen Dont believe the hype We are better than that Look at the league table, look at the ‘injuries’, look at how happy the players are despite their massive wages and then look at everything else that’s gone off at our club this season Anyone suggesting the fans have been anything short of unbelievably patient and tolerant and fantastic needs to sit down in a quiet corner for a minute and look at the bigger picture instead of an angry rant from a Chairman who seems surprised that the fans would be miffed at paying massive ticket prices for the worst football since Gary Megsons last few weeks in charge That got me worried for a bit then, thought King Herod was back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncOwl Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Ironic post of the year; having a non-sensical rant about a non-sensical rant. The difference being everyone read the chairman’s rant, I’d hazard a guess that 5% tops of people on this thread actually read all of yours. You up are starting to sound like an egotist that is desperate to lead some kind of mutiny against the Chairman. And I know where my money would go. Be careful what you wish for mate, whether it’s ego, bloody-mindedness or just click-baiting, if your wishes come true, it will bankrupt and probably end this club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I have absolutely no idea how that would ever work though Ranting about it to the whole fanbase just alienates them and confuses them It won't ever solve the issue either. Those being abusive are doing so because they aren't articulate or responsible enough to express themselves in any other way and the rest of the fanbase won't change that. It's just incredibly naive from the chairman and even worse it brings the whole fanbase into it which is unfair to those fans who haven't been abusive and would never be. There are thousands and thousands of decent, honest, great fans of ours that have been incredibly tolerant and patient this season (There were even queues for the new shirt when it went on sale months late without stripes etc etc) who just don't need to hear about the chairman's personal spat with some geezers on twitter shouting their mouths off at him This statement wasn't just ill informed, poorly constructed and ill advised - it was a bad move and one that has upset many ordinary fans who don't ever deserve upsetting. Not sure where you’ve got all that from He said right near the start... ’I must stress that I do not intend these things to be relevant to all our fans, just those who say things that are untruthful’ And this, which is basically your moderating policy... ’Feedback, opinion and constructive criticism is fine and healthy in any business. But when someone crosses the line and becomes abusive, this is something I cannot accept.’ Maybe I’m just not a very angry person. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Nowhere in DC's statement does he directly blame fans, he mentions abuse on social media (I've seen this first hand and its truly vile) I agree with his comment that if you want to abuse and be negative stay away. This whole thread is built on very poor foundations, 15 pages?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, CEOwl said: I was in agreement with the OP until he said the worst football since Megson. The fact is the football under Dave Jones became dire following promotion and I seem to remember from Mr Owlstalk himself: 1) the constant defence of DJ 2) the insinuation it was the fans fickle nature for wanting him out. I always find myself asking the same question with regards to the Irvine/Jones days - was the football that bad due to the tactics or simply the players weren’t good enough? I say the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresh Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Anger is a wasted emotion. It's now time for us all to stand together and show our true mettle. Onward and upward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, toppOwl said: Nowhere in DC's statement does he directly blame fans, he mentions abuse on social media (I've seen this first hand and its truly vile) I agree with his comment that if you want to abuse and be negative stay away. This whole thread is built on very poor foundations, 15 pages?????? You can't stay away from supporting your club...it's not like changing from coke to pepsi.... FFS x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan™ Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 I'm angry that people are angry about something so frivolous. FFS, some fans have been waiting since last January for today; now should be a time when we can all just hit the reset button and get behind the club as one entity again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W H I T E Y Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 5 hours ago, @owlstalk said: This whole smokescreen about the Wednesday family and Carlos and Chansiri being abused on the internet Its made me really angry I knew early this morning Carlos had gone and have been in the cinema and restaurant all day and night so not been online much As a result have had time to reflect on the nonsensical rant that our Chairman delivered in the early hours, knowing it was a precursor to Carlos leaving To even try and suggest our fans have had any part to play in Carlos leaving is an absolute disgrace to me and total bull The blaming of fans for a toxic atmosphere at the club is simply unbelievable and I’m not buying it Our fans this season have been the most patient tolerant and understanding fans a struggling Manager could ever have wished to have on their side To then even mention them when parting company with the Manager is nothing short of scandalous what should have happened is the chairman should have explained that the manager and Club have parted company, wished Carlos well )because he is a top guy, and thanked fans for their ongoing support Instead we get a tirade that seems to suggest that the chairman is genuinely shocked that fans would be unhappy with what’s happened this year at the club. Its not the fans fault that we are where we are in the league In fact we have struggled DESPITE top class support Home and Away Its not our fault the stripes are not on the shirts of Sheffield Wednesday Its not our fault players are injured despite the entire medical team being put out of work in the summer It’s not our fault the players don’t play happy positive attacking football its not our fault the kits were late and then out of stock Its not our fault the anniversary pre season games didn’t materialise Its not our fault that the shirt sizes have changed to some random sizes meaning loads of returns It’s not our fault the anniversary watches were oversold and refunds and other items had to be offered instead its not our fault that the exec boxes aren’t sold out Irs not our fault that players are playing like they’re unhappy It’s not our fault that fans are angry at being totally priced out of going to the matches its not our fault that those who can afford to go are angry at the prices they are being asked to pay - we didn’t put the prices up None is this season is the fault of ANY fan and it’s a disgrace to suggest so Fans should not be taking this nonsense about it being any fault of the fans whatsoever never mind putting it forward as a reason to other fans The whole thing is a total smokescreen Dont believe the hype We are better than that Look at the league table, look at the ‘injuries’, look at how happy the players are despite their massive wages and then look at everything else that’s gone off at our club this season Anyone suggesting the fans have been anything short of unbelievably patient and tolerant and fantastic needs to sit down in a quiet corner for a minute and look at the bigger picture instead of an angry rant from a Chairman who seems surprised that the fans would be miffed at paying massive ticket prices for the worst football since Gary Megsons last few weeks in charge Amen to that. You’ve been way more patient and accepting of every (weekly) monumental wee wee tail up than most fans would. Chansiri deserves credit for the good that he’s done. But the bad outweighs the good. And those who know, know. Interested to see the new manager... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chorleyowl Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Like reading this forum but got to say Neil that is a total misunderstanding of what dc has said. It's simple. Criticise all you want but don't be abusive. That is all he is trying to say. Some of our "wonderful " fans totally lack class. Where I sit most are embarrassed by a couple of loudmouth "fans" who berate certain players before they've even touched the ball. Carlos had to go but he and dc do not deserve your very contrived and for most fans inaccurate and subjective slant on swfc and reality. Plot and counter plot??? He just wants respect. That is all. He admits he makes mistakes . Ok let's go back to Allen/Strafford/ manderic etc. Then we'll be reminded of how crap things can really be. Onwards and upwards with the next phase of "Wednesday are back ". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, W H I T E Y said: Amen to that. You’ve been way more patient and accepting of every (weekly) monumental wee wee tail up than most fans would. Chansiri deserves credit for the good that he’s done. But the bad outweighs the good. And those who know, know. Interested to see the new manager... and we yours ...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W H I T E Y Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, torryowl said: and we yours ...... New manager? At Oakwell? I will put a BILLION POUNDS on him signing a new deal. The days of you lot lording it over us ended last week. I’ve a lot of time for Wednesday, but we are the 6th richest club in the country now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, W H I T E Y said: New manager? At Oakwell? I will put a BILLION POUNDS on him signing a new deal. The days of you lot lording it over us ended last week. I’ve a lot of time for Wednesday, but we are the 6th richest club in the country now. new contract or not , hell be gone by the start of next season if this takeover is kosher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Neil , I don’t agree I’m sorry , i usually doff my cap to most of your posts ... but this one isn’t for me there’s a percentage of our fan base who find it acceptable to hurl pure abuse at our club, and I just can’t deny it’s there .... it’s there and for me it’s a very big problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 25, 2017 Author Share Posted December 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Neil , I don’t agree I’m sorry , i usually doff my cap to most of your posts ... but this one isn’t for me there’s a percentage of our fan base who find it acceptable to hurl pure abuse at our club, and I just can’t deny it’s there .... it’s there and for me it’s a very big problem No it isn’t As a club we pay them no attention and stride on Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 hours ago, FreshOwl said: I always find myself asking the same question with regards to the Irvine/Jones days - was the football that bad due to the tactics or simply the players weren’t good enough? I say the latter Stuart gray climbed comfortably to mid table with the same players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steelman Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 10 hours ago, @owlstalk said: This whole smokescreen about the Wednesday family and Carlos and Chansiri being abused on the internet Its made me really angry I knew early this morning Carlos had gone and have been in the cinema and restaurant all day and night so not been online much As a result have had time to reflect on the nonsensical rant that our Chairman delivered in the early hours, knowing it was a precursor to Carlos leaving To even try and suggest our fans have had any part to play in Carlos leaving is an absolute disgrace to me and total bull The blaming of fans for a toxic atmosphere at the club is simply unbelievable and I’m not buying it Our fans this season have been the most patient tolerant and understanding fans a struggling Manager could ever have wished to have on their side To then even mention them when parting company with the Manager is nothing short of scandalous what should have happened is the chairman should have explained that the manager and Club have parted company, wished Carlos well )because he is a top guy, and thanked fans for their ongoing support Instead we get a tirade that seems to suggest that the chairman is genuinely shocked that fans would be unhappy with what’s happened this year at the club. Its not the fans fault that we are where we are in the league In fact we have struggled DESPITE top class support Home and Away Its not our fault the stripes are not on the shirts of Sheffield Wednesday Its not our fault players are injured despite the entire medical team being put out of work in the summer It’s not our fault the players don’t play happy positive attacking football its not our fault the kits were late and then out of stock Its not our fault the anniversary pre season games didn’t materialise Its not our fault that the shirt sizes have changed to some random sizes meaning loads of returns It’s not our fault the anniversary watches were oversold and refunds and other items had to be offered instead its not our fault that the exec boxes aren’t sold out Irs not our fault that players are playing like they’re unhappy It’s not our fault that fans are angry at being totally priced out of going to the matches its not our fault that those who can afford to go are angry at the prices they are being asked to pay - we didn’t put the prices up None is this season is the fault of ANY fan and it’s a disgrace to suggest so Fans should not be taking this nonsense about it being any fault of the fans whatsoever never mind putting it forward as a reason to other fans The whole thing is a total smokescreen Dont believe the hype We are better than that Look at the league table, look at the ‘injuries’, look at how happy the players are despite their massive wages and then look at everything else that’s gone off at our club this season Anyone suggesting the fans have been anything short of unbelievably patient and tolerant and fantastic needs to sit down in a quiet corner for a minute and look at the bigger picture instead of an angry rant from a Chairman who seems surprised that the fans would be miffed at paying massive ticket prices for the worst football since Gary Megsons last few weeks in charge FINALLY, a decent post!! Absolutely 100% spot on. Well said that man. *Doffs cap* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 10 hours ago, @owlstalk said: This whole smokescreen about the Wednesday family and Carlos and Chansiri being abused on the internet Its made me really angry I knew early this morning Carlos had gone and have been in the cinema and restaurant all day and night so not been online much As a result have had time to reflect on the nonsensical rant that our Chairman delivered in the early hours, knowing it was a precursor to Carlos leaving To even try and suggest our fans have had any part to play in Carlos leaving is an absolute disgrace to me and total bull The blaming of fans for a toxic atmosphere at the club is simply unbelievable and I’m not buying it Our fans this season have been the most patient tolerant and understanding fans a struggling Manager could ever have wished to have on their side To then even mention them when parting company with the Manager is nothing short of scandalous what should have happened is the chairman should have explained that the manager and Club have parted company, wished Carlos well )because he is a top guy, and thanked fans for their ongoing support Instead we get a tirade that seems to suggest that the chairman is genuinely shocked that fans would be unhappy with what’s happened this year at the club. Its not the fans fault that we are where we are in the league In fact we have struggled DESPITE top class support Home and Away Its not our fault the stripes are not on the shirts of Sheffield Wednesday Its not our fault players are injured despite the entire medical team being put out of work in the summer It’s not our fault the players don’t play happy positive attacking football its not our fault the kits were late and then out of stock Its not our fault the anniversary pre season games didn’t materialise Its not our fault that the shirt sizes have changed to some random sizes meaning loads of returns It’s not our fault the anniversary watches were oversold and refunds and other items had to be offered instead its not our fault that the exec boxes aren’t sold out Irs not our fault that players are playing like they’re unhappy It’s not our fault that fans are angry at being totally priced out of going to the matches its not our fault that those who can afford to go are angry at the prices they are being asked to pay - we didn’t put the prices up None is this season is the fault of ANY fan and it’s a disgrace to suggest so Fans should not be taking this nonsense about it being any fault of the fans whatsoever never mind putting it forward as a reason to other fans The whole thing is a total smokescreen Dont believe the hype We are better than that Look at the league table, look at the ‘injuries’, look at how happy the players are despite their massive wages and then look at everything else that’s gone off at our club this season Anyone suggesting the fans have been anything short of unbelievably patient and tolerant and fantastic needs to sit down in a quiet corner for a minute and look at the bigger picture instead of an angry rant from a Chairman who seems surprised that the fans would be miffed at paying massive ticket prices for the worst football since Gary Megsons last few weeks in charge Well said. I agree with every word you have just said. Even before it broke that CC had been sacked, the undertones in DC's message appeared to be a list of veiled threats towards us generally as fans. Its not the way he should be talking. If the way we act is not acceptable to him ,then I suggest he sells us on and concentrates on selling fish. We have a total right after a lifetimes commitment to vent our anger at the total dross that has been served and like its been said, we have been very patient. The way forward now is to hire a manager, give him a budget and let him get on with it interference free. Onwards and upwards. UTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, RichSheffWeds said: Watson, you think his statement shows leadership and good judgement? I would have advised him not to put it out, in the unlikely event that he would have asked for my advice. He seems wear his heart on his sleeve, and with social media anyone in a position of power is onto a loser, everything they say is analysed to the tenth degree and once dissected the original meaning gets lost in translation. If he kept quiet you can bet your bottom dollar that he would have been heavily criticised for been aloof and arrogant. He simply can't win. He needs to invest in a thick skin but are we heading to an era that anyone in the public eye is fair game? I fear that many in the public eye, in what ever walk of life will simply walk away from their chosen field as they are not willing to put up with constant cynical comments aimed at them. How would you feel if every time you opened your social media account you was greeted with hundreds of messages of complaint? You must agree it must wear down the recipitents resolve. He puts out statements explaining his reasons for doing things in a certain way but its instantly dismissed by some posters who have no idea what happens behind the scene. He seems to be expected to justify every little thing he does and says and not only justify it the once but time after time going over the same old ground. The time spent justifying his every action could be better spent moving the club forward. My advice to him would be to stay away from social media altogether but in this day and age I don't think that's feasible. I don't know the answer to be honest in how to deal with social media... Do you? Edited December 25, 2017 by Watson 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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