Jordan Rhodes - Huddersfield Medical

[Ronio]

Just now, Bannofan said:

 

You're serious aren't you? 

 

So because Jordan Rhodes obviously has deficiencies in his game that 6 different professional managers and numerous coaches have seen, professionals who work with him day to day,  it means those 6 managers and their coaching staff have been clueless?

 

That ridiculous conclusion just to defend a player that has contributed next to nothing a d seriously damaged our club financially?

 

Seriously? 

It's not just Rhodes that has been mismanaged, it is the whole club.  

 

Name those 6 managers you are talking about.  Half of them weren't even managers to begin with.  Furthermore, these top class managers you are banging on about, they were brilliant weren't they?  

 

Jos, Garry Monk?  

 

You are having a laugh.

 

 

[Willie Henderson]

Hope the medical doesn't just focus on his physical well-being, they need to examine his irrational fear of the ball too.

 

[daveyboy66]

Mods can we pin this to save people searching for it over the next ten years

[Bannofan]

1 hour ago, Ronio said:

It's not just Rhodes that has been mismanaged, it is the whole club.  

 

Name those 6 managers you are talking about.  Half of them weren't even managers to begin with.  Furthermore, these top class managers you are banging on about, they were brilliant weren't they?  

 

Jos, Garry Monk?  

 

You are having a laugh.

 

 

 

OK, I apologise,  5 managers and an experienced ex pro in Lee Bullen.

 

Jos Luhukay & Garry Monk also know a damn site more about football management than anyone on here, and have the benefit of watching Rhodes everyday in training , and not just basing their opinion on him from what he did at Huddersfield and Blackburn. 

 

Yes this club has been mismanaged,  but lets not mix up issues here. 

 

The fact is there was an issue with Rhodes that all his managers and coaches could see. 

 

[Indoor Owl]

2 hours ago, Ronio said:

It's not just Rhodes that has been mismanaged, it is the whole club.  

 

Name those 6 managers you are talking about.  Half of them weren't even managers to begin with.  Furthermore, these top class managers you are banging on about, they were brilliant weren't they?  

 

Jos, Garry Monk?  

 

You are having a laugh.

 

 

 

Rhodes was also useless, and then fell out of favour and found the bench at Norwich, just like with every manager he played under for Wednesday as well. 

 

Hard to see the how the "mismanagement" and "no service" apologists manage to miss that part of Rhodes' tenure. 

 

Five years, two clubs, seven managers, and ~150 games - at what point do even the most ardent Jordan Rhodes fan club supporters have to start looking at reality, and concede that a successive string of managers all found him wanting? 

Edited May 23, 2021 by Indoor Owl

[Mick70]

Rhodes has been a disaster of a signing and probably the one that has got us in the position we are in financially? As bad as he has been as poor as he is ( shadow of the former player) I still believe if he had stated a few more games he’d av scored at least a cup more which would probably have kept us up ? Out of all those so called strikers we have had this season he still looked as though he’d score more than them! But glad he gone end of chapter 

[the third man]

9 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

Let's not try and pretend he was better than he was. 1 in 3 is pretty crap. Nuhiu was a 1 in 3 striker and plenty slated him but he was on a hell of a lot less money 

 

Nuhiu scored 50 goals in 277 appearances, nearer 1 in 6 than 1 in 3, lets not make him out to be something he wasn't

 

Rhodes was a waste of money though

[OwlinOldham]

9 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

Let's not try and pretend he was better than he was. 1 in 3 is pretty crap. Nuhiu was a 1 in 3 striker and plenty slated him but he was on a hell of a lot less money and would at least contribute to the rest of the team, by winning headers and holding the ball up. Fletcher was a 1 in 2-and-a-half to 1-in-3 kind of striker but he would work tirelessly holding the ball up, helping out in defence, etc. Paterson has been 1 in 4 this season and he's played in defence and midfield at various points.

 

Aside from that 1 in 3 what have we got from Rhodes? He barely touches the ball, rarely gets involved in support play - 5 assists in over 60 games is a shocking return for a forward. I think he averages about 12 passes to a teammate per game every 90 mins. 

 

You earn the right to play, and across 5 different managers there was only really Moore who was anywhere near getting a tune out of him at the end. I honestly don't think he's a Championship player in this day and age - the game has evolved in the past 5 years and teams can't afford to carry the goal poacher/passenger type players. They have to adapt or die. I think we'll see next year when he's on Huddersfield's bench that he's a League One player at best these days.

 

Im not here saying Rhodes time here was awesome, im trying to say that we didnt use him enough or even played him in a suitable way to be able to actually say hes crap and finished in the game. 

 

All three players you just referred to in your post have been used up front as traget men for our defensive hoofball style. Which from Carlos leaving and pretty much up until DM came in, was how we have played. Why would you play someone like Rhodes up front when playing over the top hoofball, if you have the likes of Fletcher, Nuhiu or Patterson there who can play the role better? You just wouldnt and neither would any manager. 

 

Theres more to it than hes just crap and managers didnt rate him. No poacher type forward would have done well here in that time and playing how we played. 

 

It didnt work out for either of us in the end. However, whats done is done and it cant be changed. Will be intresting to see how he gets on in the future, as i think he might still have some goals in him. It will also be intresting to see if we stay away from the hoofball under DM as we and Rhodes defo looked better for not playing it.

[Guest Therealrealist]

Surprised he didn’t refuse to take part in the medical

[parajack]

11 hours ago, Ronio said:

It's not just Rhodes that has been mismanaged, it is the whole club.  

 

Name those 6 managers you are talking about.  Half of them weren't even managers to begin with.  Furthermore, these top class managers you are banging on about, they were brilliant weren't they?  

 

Jos, Garry Monk?  

 

You are having a laugh.

 

 

Keep clapping....

[parajack]

8 hours ago, Indoor Owl said:

 

Rhodes was also useless, and then fell out of favour and found the bench at Norwich, just like with every manager he played under for Wednesday as well. 

 

Hard to see the how the "mismanagement" and "no service" apologists manage to miss that part of Rhodes' tenure. 

 

Five years, two clubs, seven managers, and ~150 games - at what point do even the most ardent Jordan Rhodes fan club supporters have to start looking at reality, and concede that a successive string of managers all found him wanting? 

Prob when they find time to stop clapping...

[parajack]

18 hours ago, OwlinOldham said:

Its crazy how some fans think its just like Footy Manager, where players can be sold, loaned or released at will. Its also mad how many people dont see the other side of the coin when they suggest something as being fact. 

 

No way were we going to give Rhodes a free transfer to anyone whilst we still owed money on him. His fee was spread over his contracts in regards to FFP and we paid what we owed in full to Middlesborough moment we let him leave. Plus, even if we did take the hit on his fee, we would no doubt also be liable to pay off large part of his remaining contract even after he had moved. 

 

As for him being crap and not able to get into ours, the Norwich and Middlesboroughs teams, that not really as straight forward as some think either. Borough bought him for  around £10m in a bid to try and ensure they got promoted. He bagged 6 and got 3 assists in 18 championship games for them and they went up. We bought him after he played just 24 games for them, in the hope hed helf do the same for us.

 

When Rhodes was loaned to Norwich, they had Pukki up front who was on fire. Norwich played one up front all season and Rhodes played as cover for Pukki, usually being subbed on late on. Anyone who thinks Norwich were gonna play Rhodes over an on fire Pukki needs their head testing. Plus if he was crap, why did they want him after his loan? 

 

As for us, i dont think we played him enough to say he was capbable or crap. Total minutes played for us was equivilent to 61 games total in all comps. His 20 goals and 5 assists in that time would make him about a 1 in 3 striker if the stats worked that way. Easy to say hes crap, past it ect, but truth is we havent seen him have a crack at playing for a full season as a starter since his last season at blackburn.

Same answer every time....WHY?  why would not one manager start him regularly at S6,..theres only one answer thats credible isnt there?

[the_vinyl_frontier]

Good luck to him. He's been treated awfully by us. Has proven himself over the years to be a fantastic championship striker, with multiple teams, yet we let him down. He deserves better than how we (the managers) have treated him. 

[BIG D]

Give over

[Belfast Owl 2]

14 minutes ago, the_vinyl_frontier said:

Good luck to him. He's been treated awfully by us. Has proven himself over the years to be a fantastic championship striker, with multiple teams, yet we let him down. He deserves better than how we (the managers) have treated him. 

 

What multiple teams has he proved himself at.

 

He was last prolific for ONE Championship club.

[parajack]

8 hours ago, OwlinOldham said:

 

Im not here saying Rhodes time here was awesome, im trying to say that we didnt use him enough or even played him in a suitable way to be able to actually say hes crap and finished in the game. 

 

All three players you just referred to in your post have been used up front as traget men for our defensive hoofball style. Which from Carlos leaving and pretty much up until DM came in, was how we have played. Why would you play someone like Rhodes up front when playing over the top hoofball, if you have the likes of Fletcher, Nuhiu or Patterson there who can play the role better? You just wouldnt and neither would any manager. 

 

Theres more to it than hes just crap and managers didnt rate him. No poacher type forward would have done well here in that time and playing how we played. 

 

It didnt work out for either of us in the end. However, whats done is done and it cant be changed. Will be intresting to see how he gets on in the future, as i think he might still have some goals in him. It will also be intresting to see if we stay away from the hoofball under DM as we and Rhodes defo looked better for not playing it.

Yeah i really enjoyed seeing our defence pass square balls across the front of our own box,whilst taking an age to play a pass...AS WE LOST....

[parajack]

23 minutes ago, the_vinyl_frontier said:

Good luck to him. He's been treated awfully by us. Has proven himself over the years to be a fantastic championship striker, with multiple teams, yet we let him down. He deserves better than how we (the managers) have treated him. 

Clapping is deafening....wish someone would have treated me as badly as him at work... absolute joke of a post...

[Lawrie’s Left Peg]

23 hours ago, Bannofan said:

 

Because that makes him a greedy bugger rather than someone who wants a fresh a start , a chance to play regular football and maybe even. rejuvenate an international career. 

 

The pulling the wool over peoples eyes comes from this notion that he is a hard done hero, and "One of the nicest guys in football".

 

His actions have not be in keeping with an honest 'nice guy '. 

 

 

But pulling the wool over someone’s eyes means to trick or deceive. During his contract Rhodes never said he wanted to leave and subsequently stayed. Nor have I seen him describe himself as the nicest man in football. He hasn’t refused to play in games. He hasn’t feigned injury. He hasn’t gone on strike. 
In fact he’s been available to play, put in a decent shift when selected. In hindsight we paid too much for him and gave him too high a wage. Not because we were ever tricked or deceived by Rhodes but because of poor recruitment 

[wednesdaywizard]

10 hours ago, the_vinyl_frontier said:

Good luck to him. He's been treated awfully by us. Has proven himself over the years to be a fantastic championship striker, with multiple teams, yet we let him down. He deserves better than how we (the managers) have treated him. 

 

As a group of fans we're rapidly turning in to the abused spouse of the football community.  Feeling like we are being irrational, expecting too much, not giving enough and generally in the wrong when in actual fact the players who we so badly let down go on to do nothing for the clubs they join after us.

[matthefish2002]

13 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:

In fact he’s been available to play, put in a decent shift when selected. In hindsight we paid too much for him and gave him too high a wage. Not because we were ever tricked or deceived by Rhodes but because of poor recruitment 

 

I am not so sure about that.

Was many a match I didn't really notice him until he was subbed after an hour.