Dronfield Blue Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: I can understand that it's a difficult line to walk, and it will have profound effects if they get it wrong. There won't be any sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just Real Madrid and Barca left then........Gonna make an interesting league that then....Imagine the excitement of the Cup draw! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, SiJ said: Should be said that no battle has been won here. The nuclear bomb was stopped but the landscape has already been torched with napalm. The likes of Sky, BT etc., presenting this as some sort of victory for the fans is quite nauseating frankly. They are very much culpable in this mess. Root and branch reform needed up and down the pyramid. I won't hold my breath. Disagree, a battle has been won here Problem is, it's the first of many in this war. Enough is enough really. Even a basic, basic thing like a salary cap of a measly £150k a week would fix so many of the race to the bottom problems we're seeing thats driven by the insatiable greed of owners, agents, players, broadcasters, footballing bodies... the whole lot. Something needs to change and the madness needs to stop. COVID and this nonsense will hopefully create a momentum and desire to finally bring about a change. The game we all love has been bástardised for years... we've stopped it being torn to pieces, now we need to start bringing it back from the precipice it's been standing before for the last decade or more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Disagree, a battle has been won here Problem is, it's the first of many in this war. Enough is enough really. Even a basic, basic thing like a salary cap of a measly £150k a week would fix so many of the race to the bottom problems we're seeing thats driven by the insatiable greed of owners, agents, players, broadcasters, footballing bodies... the whole lot. Something needs to change and the madness needs to stop. COVID and this nonsense will hopefully create a momentum and desire to finally bring about a change. The game we all love has been bástardised for years... we've stopped it being torn to pieces, now we need to start bringing it back from the precipice it's been standing before for the last decade or more. I don't think you need a salary cap of 150k for individuals, just cap total spend on wages at something like 100m per year or something. Then it's to the clubs to manage that, they may choose to have a squad all on the same 60k ish a week or one player on 200k. You reduce the cap down each of the leagues accordingly. Zero excuse to not make reforms now though 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, Dronfield Blue said: There won't be any sanctions. I suppose they haven't broken any rules to be sanctioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 It’s a tough one. One on hand, why should the players and staff be penalised for the owners actions? Then again, whenever a club gets in trouble whether it be a points deduction or a fine, it is usually because of the owners actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Good article about what happened and might happen in the future. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12282341/european-super-league-key-questions-left-behind-how-did-it-unravel-so-quickly-what-are-the-ramifications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, TheGaffer said: I don't think you need a salary cap of 150k for individuals, just cap total spend on wages at something like 100m per year or something. Then it's to the clubs to manage that, they may choose to have a squad all on the same 60k ish a week or one player on 200k. You reduce the cap down each of the leagues accordingly. Zero excuse to not make reforms now though Yup. Salary cap is the only way. But. Loopholes and sponsorship/endorsements etc need to be carefully monitored. Clubs will find ways around it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 So most of Liverpools fans have accepted John Henry's half ar53d apoligy and now want him to back klopp with hundreds of millions of pounds in the transfer window Sums modern football up Meanwhile we are in transfer embargos for going over 39 million spending, while Barcelona are 1 billion quid in debt Nothing will change Makes me sick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, SallyCinnamon said: Sky’s hypocrisy is amazing. They’ve made money the focus of the game and paved the way for these owners to try things like this. And this won’t be the end of it. Can’t help but feel the owners did this to test the waters and gauge the public reaction. They’re not stupid - they knew this would get a significant backlash. At the end of the day they really don’t care what fans think. John Henry can put an apology video out, but balls does he mean it. Just ticking a box. Alternatively - Sky’s remit is to make money via advertising and subscriptions. They spotted a popular product and bid for it. The PL decide that each year the product is worth more and Sky have to keep increasing their commitment to secure access. What the PL and individual clubs then do with that money is not the fault of Sky. Every single one of those 6 clubs with their combined £1.5bn debt chose to spend their money the way they did. They didn’t have to pay players £250k a week, or an agent £1m to secure a transfer. But they didn’t want other clubs to get ahead. Sky have provided the funds to improve stadia, facilities and the technical ability of players, and to entice better players from around the world. The clubs themselves have chosen to get themselves into debt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 45 minutes ago, scram said: Well if this forces change for the better then great - i don't think it will and i'm convinced the breakaway group will still end up better off ultimately There needs to be a fan charter which must include things like wages to turnover at a realiistic level - not the catastrophe it currently is proper fan representation in the boardroom - not just a few platitudes at talking shops Cheaper tickets - more access to POTG at decent prices Much less dicking around with kick off times/days - allowing travelling fans the opportunity of going to away games without having such travel issues as missing last trains/connections etc Ultimately the outflow of money to players and agents is killing our game and it needs to be rethought and be realistic to the clubs ability to pay And do away with the ridiculous restrictive practice of P&S What needs to desperately happen and I think you touched on it is salary caps...PL clubs have been losing money year by year and it doesn't matter how much money they get from TV deals because this is dished out straight away for wages. The big question is how you implement this cap fairly, for example if say Man Utd want to sign someone their wages will be much higher then Norwich City so the cap probably has to alter depending on circumstances...this could be a tricky thing or then it could be easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 So it basicwlly 'Pipe down, leave the football to us and just keep supplying us with money!'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: So it basicwlly 'Pipe down, leave the football to us and just keep supplying us with money!'' I’m confused as to what people want? The super six is folding, do we expect the fans to just be able to freely kick these owners out? Just be thankful this moronic idea isn’t happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Fine them and have them start on minus 12 next season or something. Should be banned from competing in Europe for at least a season, if not more. Might be more symbolic than anything else, but it is something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, TaxiMark said: What needs to desperately happen and I think you touched on it is salary caps...PL clubs have been losing money year by year and it doesn't matter how much money they get from TV deals because this is dished out straight away for wages. The big question is how you implement this cap fairly, for example if say Man Utd want to sign someone their wages will be much higher then Norwich City so the cap probably has to alter depending on circumstances...this could be a tricky thing or then it could be easy. A salary cap only works if it’s implemented worldwide. If one country doesn’t have it, there is a temptation to just offer better wages and skew the competition. I don’t know if it’s even possible, but I’d like to see owners banned from loading the club with personal debt whether that’s as a result of buying them (Man Utd) or loaning for transfers/wages/day to day running (Dave Allen). If mega rich owners want to put their own money in with no expectation of getting it back then fine - we’re apparently operating in a free market economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: I’m confused as to what people want? The super six is folding, do we expect the fans to just be able to freely kick these owners out? Just be thankful this moronic idea isn’t happening true, its like untangling a spiders web. its in the owners blood to continue to compete for more money, its what they do. and to be (more) competitive in the current climate you need more money. its an arms race thats been out of control for decades. ive not got the answers but its the elephant in the room. Seems like its sky have decided to ignore it for......reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildatheart67 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Barca are about £850 million in debt but their income is not far off that. Both Spanish giants have grotesque overspent ,maybe they should brake that habit to fix their troubles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Malc said: Alternatively - Sky’s remit is to make money via advertising and subscriptions. They spotted a popular product and bid for it. The PL decide that each year the product is worth more and Sky have to keep increasing their commitment to secure access. What the PL and individual clubs then do with that money is not the fault of Sky. Every single one of those 6 clubs with their combined £1.5bn debt chose to spend their money the way they did. They didn’t have to pay players £250k a week, or an agent £1m to secure a transfer. But they didn’t want other clubs to get ahead. Sky have provided the funds to improve stadia, facilities and the technical ability of players, and to entice better players from around the world. The clubs themselves have chosen to get themselves into debt. Sky charge subscription fees to watch football. They are part of the problem when it comes to huge wages and fees in the game - they’re a vehicle which drive the crazy bidding and money thrown about. They have a day of national coverage dedicated to clubs splashing obscene amount of money around to get the best players so they can get more money in TV rights and more Sky TV exposure. They change kick-off times to suit their broadcast schedule rather than catering to the average fan. So do Sky really care about the average fan? Or do they care about money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I wished they'd gone through with it personally, could've reset football for the better 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: true, its like untangling a spiders web. its in the owners blood to continue to compete for more money, its what they do. and to be (more) competitive in the current climate you need more money. its an arms race thats been out of control for decades. ive not got the answers but its the elephant in the room. Seems like its sky have decided to ignore it for......reasons. The money will always be there. That’s football. In the future we just need the owners to refrain from making stupid decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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