Mr. Tom Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, whowantstoberich said: BLM do not speak on behalf of everyone who disagrees with racism. Just because you disagree with racism doesn’t mean you are pro BLM. ALL LIVES MATTER Saying ‘all lives matter’ in answer to BLM fundamentally misunderstands what BLM is about. It doesn’t state or claim that all lives don’t matter. Ever. Anywhere. Saying ‘all lives matter’ in response to BLM is like sitting in a restaurant with your meal in front of you, telling someone whose order was forgotten that you’re ALL hungry, so they shouldn’t speak up. It makes no sense. In that analogy, BLM isn’t disputing everyone’s hungry. It’s saying some people already got their portion and they’ve been passed over. The people who have their food don’t NEED to say ‘but we’re ALL hungry’. Why would they? It’d be insane. Eat your dinner and enjoy it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 7 hours ago, matthefish2002 said: Why are we automatically assuming Chansiri wasn't lying about his lack of proficiency to speak English? Something you cant prove or disprove. He doesn't say much at the best of times. Bit of a mumbler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Jonestown83 said: an accusation based purely on where he’s from Your not from round here you must be sneaky with 0 evidence to support this otherwise there’re be no need to mention the country of his birth If he spoke like you typed, I can see why they had problems understanding him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whowantstoberich Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mr. Tom said: Saying ‘all lives matter’ in answer to BLM fundamentally misunderstands what BLM is about. It doesn’t state or claim that all lives don’t matter. Ever. Anywhere. Saying ‘all lives matter’ in response to BLM is like sitting in a restaurant with your meal in front of you, telling someone whose order was forgotten that you’re ALL hungry, so they shouldn’t speak up. It makes no sense. In that analogy, BLM isn’t disputing everyone’s hungry. It’s saying some people already got their portion and they’ve been passed over. The people who have their food don’t NEED to say ‘but we’re ALL hungry’. Why would they? It’d be insane. Eat your dinner and enjoy it. ALL LIVES MATTER. Anyone and everyone can be subject and all races at some point will have been subject to racism, regardless of colour. However, it isn’t the B in BLM that is a problem. IMO It’s the violence, thuggery, racism (the very thing they claim to be against) and mission statements that I don’t like about them. EDIT - i also disagree how many blacks are apparently treated in the USA. That doesn’t happen in the UK tho. We are not a racist country at all. Edited August 17, 2020 by whowantstoberich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Ok first things first Nobody here is trolling, it's actually quite interesting to see peoples different opinions Secondly DC has been accused of hiding behind his language to benefit his cause, did the EFL ask for clarity, did they suspend the hearing so any anomalies caused by this problem could be eradicated? No, they went for the jugglar and inexpicably used this to further their cause Racism? They've left themselves wide open Over to you DC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, daveyboy66 said: The commission said it was racist...if the cap fits Oh dear. I'm 100% with @@owlstalk on this. It is not racism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 It’s not racist by any rational judgment. Although by 2020 standards it probably is! If, for example, I interview an EAL student about an incident and they are unable to understand English well enough to help the situation (happens a lot - especially with parents), I would never accuse them of becoming selectively conversant as I would absolutely guaranteed be accused of racism. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. benway Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, whowantstoberich said: We are not a racist country at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_wells Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, whowantstoberich said: ALL LIVES MATTER. Anyone and everyone can be subject and all races at some point will have been subject to racism, regardless of colour. However, it isn’t the B in BLM that is a problem. IMO It’s the violence, thuggery, racism (the very thing they claim to be against) and mission statements that I don’t like about them. EDIT - i also disagree how many blacks are apparently treated in the USA. That doesn’t happen in the UK tho. We are not a racist country at all. Blimey - if anyone wants a great example of just how dumb the human race can be, check this out. Love how threads like this can somehow weed out the casual racists. They just cant help themselves. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Not sure how this thread has managed to get turned into a BLM debate. It is a completely separate issue and there are other threads if you want to discuss it. Chansiri was accused of misrepresenting the language barrier and his understanding of English. Evidence provided by the commission proved this to be unfounded,as such making an accusation without any foundation or proof appears at best to be discriminatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 37 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Oh dear. I'm 100% with @@owlstalk on this. It is not racism. That's because you are owlstalk in disguise.. Blue & White lives matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 7 hours ago, DJMortimer said: This element of the report is shameful and appalling. But that should not detract from what the reports seems to be making clear - that both parties have demonstrated ample incompetence and lack of foresight. As a governing body the EFL should not demonstrate any incompetence. They should be fair, impartial and professional. The fact that they are none of those things mean they aren't fit to govern a whelk stall never mind a multimillion dollar industry. They should be disbanded and a professional organisation set up completely outwith the control of the clubs. Their brief should be to manage in the interests of the football league and football as a whole. That's not me taking a partisan stance as a Wednesday fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, davey_wells said: Blimey - if anyone wants a great example of just how dumb the human race can be, check this out. Your reply is the reason there are so many 'dumb people' about..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musn't Grumble Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 hours ago, the mighty wednesday said: If it is something you really can't prove or disprove the governing body of a sport should not be stating it in writing. And, of course, the burden of proof is on the accuser and not the accused. If true, this should attract political or legal interest. And all this from an organisation that allegedly and very publicly wants to stamp out racism. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I'm gonna leave this discussion as like I say I've no chance of my point being accepted as the wolves are out as a pack dying to deliberately push this racism narrative so I'll leave you to it I disagree with it as a tactic of attacking the EFL though - I think it's pretty low to stoop to that Do you think it is pretty low of the EFL to say what they did? Personally I do think what they said is racist, they wouldn't say the same about an Englishman. We will have to agree to differ. They also didn't provide an interpreter which is common practice when dealing with someone who doesn't have a full understanding of English, particularly with complex matters. The EFL have fallen down on the most basic common courtesies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said: Discriminate: make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, or age. The EFL do appear to have tried to, without foundation, use the language barrier to discredit the honesty of Chansiri. As this was a false accusation made without proper justification it does appear to be discriminatory. THIS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 46 minutes ago, happy bunny said: Ok first things first Nobody here is trolling, it's actually quite interesting to see peoples different opinions Secondly DC has been accused of hiding behind his language to benefit his cause, did the EFL ask for clarity, did they suspend the hearing so any anomalies caused by this problem could be eradicated? No, they went for the jugglar and inexplicably used this to further their cause Racism? They've left themselves wide open Over to you DC I can only comment on.personal experience but if that was the case in a meeting I was part of, the meeting would be stopped temporarily or fully. If the meeting was a tribunal etc the consequences would be immense. For such an important meeting with possibly serious outcomes for them to admit they didn't think he fully understood what was being asked of him is an incredible admission 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSlicer Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Not sure if this has been covered as I haven’t had chance to read the full thread. but aren’t the EFL extremely keen to stamp down on racism. Ala FF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 If i had made that statement as an excuse at work, i would be in serious trouble 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, the third man said: If i had made that statement as an excuse at work, i would be in serious trouble Very good point. Then imagine if you went beyond saying it and raised a misconduct complaint against that person for doing it deliberately 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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