MRGRIM Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Break away league time! Who's with us? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, MRGRIM said: Break away league time! Who's with us? Would be an exciting new dawn Im IN! 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: In effect it has nothing to do with anything other than the EFL are showing themselves to be an inept and floundering bunch of racists. I don't think to keep trying to sway people into thinking this is a racist issue is the right thing to do It is in no way 'racist' what they've said - it's merely a suggestion that someone is extremely dishonest and tried a trick to pull the wool over their eyes I know I'm fighting a losing battle and that our hardcore element are on the attack on the EFL and will keep pressing this and it will become 'true because it's been repeated so often' but I fundamentally disagree with this approach I think criticise the EFL decision, criticise the organisation itself as being incompetent, but to try and use racism is a low blow that's just unfair 5 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, MRGRIM said: Break away league time! Who's with us? We'd be relegated first season ...... it's the Wednesday Way .. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, MRGRIM said: Break away league time! Who's with us? Macclesfield would do it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I've tweeted about this a fair bit today but I'm genuinely shocked and disgusted at the EFL's comments about Dephon Chansiri's level of English, they make such a big deal about promoting campaigns of inclusion and anti-racism and then they come out with that accusation, very, very close to blatant racism from the EFL IMO, at the very least it's offensively xenophobic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I don't think to keep trying to sway people into thinking this is a racist issue is the right thing to do It is in no way 'racist' what they've said - it's merely a suggestion that someone is extremely dishonest and tried a trick to pull the wool over their eyes I know I'm fighting a losing battle and that our hardcore element are on the attack on the EFL and will keep pressing this and it will become 'true because it's been repeated so often' but I fundamentally disagree with this approach I think criticise the EFL decision, criticise the organisation itself as being incompetent, but to try and use racism is a low blow that's just unfair I've been reliably informed, by people better placed than me, that it's no longer acceptable for a business or organization not to be racist but to be actively anti-racist. Racism in football is clearly prevalent today. The EFL (and the FA) must do better than this as a benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I don't think to keep trying to sway people into thinking this is a racist issue is the right thing to do It is in no way 'racist' what they've said - it's merely a suggestion that someone is extremely dishonest and tried a trick to pull the wool over their eyes I know I'm fighting a losing battle and that our hardcore element are on the attack on the EFL and will keep pressing this and it will become 'true because it's been repeated so often' but I fundamentally disagree with this approach I think criticise the EFL decision, criticise the organisation itself as being incompetent, but to try and use racism is a low blow that's just unfair Has an English owner ever been accused of deliberately lying? Just wondering, genuine question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I don't think to keep trying to sway people into thinking this is a racist issue is the right thing to do It is in no way 'racist' what they've said - it's merely a suggestion that someone is extremely dishonest and tried a trick to pull the wool over their eyes I know I'm fighting a losing battle and that our hardcore element are on the attack on the EFL and will keep pressing this and it will become 'true because it's been repeated so often' but I fundamentally disagree with this approach I think criticise the EFL decision, criticise the organisation itself as being incompetent, but to try and use racism is a low blow that's just unfair Merely a suggestion that he is extremely dishonest and tried to pull the wool over their eyes. That's OK then. Merely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, Inspector Lestrade said: Merely a suggestion that he is extremely dishonest and tried to pull the wool over their eyes. That's OK then. Merely Don't understand your point Nobody has said that's ok? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I don't think to keep trying to sway people into thinking this is a racist issue is the right thing to do It is in no way 'racist' what they've said - it's merely a suggestion that someone is extremely dishonest and tried a trick to pull the wool over their eyes I know I'm fighting a losing battle and that our hardcore element are on the attack on the EFL and will keep pressing this and it will become 'true because it's been repeated so often' but I fundamentally disagree with this approach I think criticise the EFL decision, criticise the organisation itself as being incompetent, but to try and use racism is a low blow that's just unfair Interesting that you know - as a white male - that its 'no way racist'. You are usually very supportive around race issues. An ethnic man is accused of being dishonest and exaggerating in a courtroom - and the reason is because he is not speaking English properly. That's not a good look. It may be clumsy, but the comments were made and stand as a matter of record. I would say that the EFL should come out and define whether its racist or not based on their own painstaking and comprehensive Equality Statement which specifically mentions perceptive discrimination against races. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Don't understand your point Nobody has said that's ok? You passed it off as merely. How close to OK is that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nero said: Interesting that you know - as a white male - that its 'no way racist'. You are usually very supportive around race issues. An ethnic man is accused of being dishonest and exaggerating in a courtroom - and the reason is because he is not speaking English properly. That's not a good look. It may be clumsy, but the comments were made and stand as a matter of record. I would say that the EFL should come out and define whether its racist or not based on their own painstaking and comprehensive Equality Statement which specifically mentions perceptive discrimination against races. I'm 100% supportive around all race issues This isn't one though This is just someone being accused of being dishonest and pulling tricks 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I'm gonna leave this discussion as like I say I've no chance of my point being accepted as the wolves are out as a pack dying to deliberately push this racism narrative so I'll leave you to it I disagree with it as a tactic of attacking the EFL though - I think it's pretty low to stoop to that 1 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I'm 100% supportive around all race issues This isn't one though This is just someone being accused of being dishonest and pulling tricks You have to agree though that in light of the currently raised awareness about issues relating to race and the like it's incredibly tone deaf to accuse a non-white person who speaks English as a second language as they have done? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I'm 100% supportive around all race issues This isn't one though This is just someone being accused of being dishonest and pulling tricks From the thread its clear that its a matter of opinion. Personally I am not sure as to how the EFL should categorise the comments. They should clear this up though and quickly from a reputational perspective. People will always disagree about what constitutes racism but when you have specifically written down what it is and it appears that you've been racist within your own parameters of racism, you can't ignore it when people start accusing you of hypocrisy. You cant say, I didn't mean it that way. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Pressman 1 said: Personal attack surely can sue for that? Waiver from FFP and 12 points added please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 46 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I don't think to keep trying to sway people into thinking this is a racist issue is the right thing to do It is in no way 'racist' what they've said - it's merely a suggestion that someone is extremely dishonest and tried a trick to pull the wool over their eyes. I know I'm fighting a losing battle and that our hardcore element are on the attack on the EFL and will keep pressing this and it will become 'true because it's been repeated so often' but I fundamentally disagree with this approach I think criticise the EFL decision, criticise the organisation itself as being incompetent, but to try and use racism is a low blow that's just unfair Totally agree mate. It's not racist what so ever. I wish some people would put the race card away and stop with the faux outrage. The EFL are claiming Chansiri was trying it on by claiming his English isn't as good as we all know it is. The problem with this sort of thing, where people jump on their soap box screaming racism where none exists, is it harms the genuine cases if racism. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I'm 100% supportive around all race issues This isn't one though This is just someone being accused of being dishonest and pulling tricks The faux outrage in this thread is unbelievable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I'm 100% supportive around all race issues This isn't one though This is just someone being accused of being dishonest and pulling tricks Agreed. Anyone who has watched Border Force on the tele will know. So then Sir, why have you not declared the 100000000 cigarettes in your luggage? I don’t understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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