Hedwig Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, DirtyLeedsOwl said: Always amazed just how low their standards are, surely you proof read before submitting? Careful, Careful, Careful.. Someone will be on your case for trashing the local journo's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Who approved you? It wasn't me, but I'm still waiting to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulture_squadron Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: My theory is they agreed on a points deduction but did so on the basis that we’d gain enough points in the remaining fixtures so the agreed deduction doesn’t send us down. But because we’re so crap that agreed deduction now could relegate us and the panel/EFL don’t know what to do. I had wondered the same but it really would be the worst course of action. Fixed penalties for breaches should be applied if breached. Otherwise the EFL will be derided even more than they already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Just to balance it out from me, If the delay is down to DC/the club chasing an appeal just for the sake of delaying the inevitable I will be less than amused All round situation is beyond a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modfather100 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, nbupperthongowl said: The question is when will this season end, it's not going to be on Wednesday night....it won't be until Derby, Wigan and our cases are heard and any appeals heard, could be September Imagine thinking that you have stopped up (eg. Luton) for one of the clubs to win their appeal and you to be relegated after you have built a championship club and spent your £s, meaning that you will breach FFP next year in league one and probably receive a points penalty after you have been promoted This will never end if it is taken into next season They'll come a point in time where team's won't be relegated or promoted but be given financial penalties or compensation instead. Like with the Blunts and West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Modfather100 said: They'll come a point in time where team's won't be relegated or promoted but be given financial penalties or compensation instead. Like with the Blunts and West Ham. They will have to, otherwise this will rumble on for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Just to balance it out from me, If the delay is down to DC/the club chasing an appeal just for the sake of delaying the inevitable I will be less than amused All round situation is beyond a joke If the club or the EFL were appealing, the original decision from the independent panel would have still been reported. The same as Birmingham's was prior to the EFL appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) I just can’t see us been hit with a deduction this season now that sees us relegated. The Derby hearing hasn’t finished yet either. More plausible we will get a deduction next season if any. Edited July 20, 2020 by Bouncing Owl 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffed Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Royal_D said: Anyone who says they can’t see why Barnsley etc are a bit annoyed clearly aren’t wired up right Put that boot on the other foot and we would be absolutely up in arms and I don’t care if they’ve been poorest side in division and not got enough points, if points was all it were down to they wouldn’t have a case to be moaning about Relegation decided by lawsuits.... Game has gone The boot was on the other foot.... On more than one occassion Swindon when we were relegated, Palace when we were relagated, being unable to play in Europe due to Liverpool....... We werent really "up in arms" about any of those 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Royal_D said: Anyone who says they can’t see why Barnsley etc are a bit annoyed clearly aren’t wired up right Put that boot on the other foot and we would be absolutely up in arms and I don’t care if they’ve been poorest side in division and not got enough points, if points was all it were down to they wouldn’t have a case to be moaning about Relegation decided by lawsuits.... Game has gone If the players had done the business on the field since the restart nobody would be bothered. Edited July 20, 2020 by akbuk 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 akbuk said this and I agree but I also blame the inept Monk. Only the Hull manager has a worse record sine XMS. 5 minutes ago, akbuk said: If the players had done the business on the field since the restart nobody would be bothered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 54 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Who approved you? The bloke who wanted the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hookowl said: If the club or the EFL were appealing, the original decision from the independent panel would have still been reported. The same as Birmingham's was prior to the EFL appealing. Clearly that’s the way it’s supposed to go down, I’m just not buying that there’s this much of a delay on the IDP’s decision , why on Earth didn’t the EFL put a time limit on it with the obvious ramifications and why did they show no urgency whatsoever to get the hearing underway , were they not forced to hurry it up by other clubs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Royal_D said: Anyone who says they can’t see why Barnsley etc are a bit annoyed clearly aren’t wired up right Put that boot on the other foot and we would be absolutely up in arms and I don’t care if they’ve been poorest side in division and not got enough points, if points was all it were down to they wouldn’t have a case to be moaning about Relegation decided by lawsuits.... Game has gone The way they see it it’s teams like us who are ‘cheating’ by overspending. Even if we take that as being true and forget all about the parachute payment situation, that line of argument would make more sense had the so called cheating occurred this season and directly impacted clubs such as Barnsley’s ability to compete, collect points and avoid relegation. However, the truth of the matter if we’re found guilty is that we ‘cheated’ our way to a 15th place finish in 2017/18. So god knows why they think they’re due something to help them out in 2019/20 when we aren’t even cheating. It would make more sense for them to sue us for compensation for their relegation in 2017/18, the season in which the alleged offence took place. Or maybe they should stop moaning and just accept the reason they’ve been relegated twice in the last 3 seasons is because they’re sh*t at football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Royal_D said: Clearly that’s the way it’s supposed to go down, I’m just not buying that there’s this much of a delay on the IDP’s decision , why on Earth didn’t the EFL put a time limit on it with the obvious ramifications and why did they show no urgency whatsoever to get the hearing underway , were they not forced to hurry it up by other clubs ? Regarding putting a time limit on the IDP's decision, I would guess that leaves it open for an appeal on the grounds it had been rushed without giving due consideration to all relevant facts (although we don't know what these are). I agree with you regarding why the EFL have shown no urgency in getting the hearing underway. That just doesn't make sense as we were charged last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: The way they see it it’s teams like us who are ‘cheating’ by overspending. Even if we take that as being true and forget all about the parachute payment situation, that line of argument would make more sense had the so called cheating occurred this season and directly impacted clubs such as Barnsley’s ability to compete, collect points and avoid relegation. However, the truth of the matter if we’re found guilty is that we ‘cheated’ our way to a 15th place finish in 2017/18. So god knows why they think they’re due something to help them out in 2019/20 when we aren’t even cheating. It would make more sense for them to sue us for compensation for their relegation in 2017/18, the season in which the alleged offence took place. Or maybe they should stop moaning and just accept the reason they’ve been relegated twice in the last 3 seasons is because they’re sh*t at football Maybe they are planning to take 5 years + like UEFA did with city, so the penalty is expired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, bobness said: It's because our overspending has given us a massive advantage this season Can we not claim mitigation that by appointing monk we evened that out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Just now, Plonk said: Can we not claim mitigation that by appointing monk we evened that out With DC at the helm I think it might be a moot point either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Does anyone think they are going to wait until the Derby case has finished before announcing our verdict so it doesn't influence theirs? I know both have their own independent commisions but both cases are very similar. If we are found not guilty, Derby will be in uproar if they are. If we are found guilty eveyone will expect them to be found guilty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedwig Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I'm fed up of over-thinking this... Just get the verdict announced FFS !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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