Steve Down South Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: It seems our budget this summer will once again be modest and there will potentially be a significant number leaving. If you are anticipating an influx of talented players, I fear you are in for a disappointment. Regardless, you still need a squad offering options and back up. Nuhiu has proved perfectly capable of being such a contributor. A club in our circumstances simply cannot have 20-25 top players vying for the first team. Some have to accept a reserve role. I think you sum the position up pretty well, but if we have no expectation of attracting a couple of talented players (from lower leagues or possibly released by Premier League clubs) we might as well pack up and go home. I agree there’s no way we can support a large squad of top players, but those on bench should at least be worthy of a start in event of injury / suspension. Just a pity our development of young talent has been so poor, seems to be little prospect of such players bolstering the first team squad next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: It seems our budget this summer will once again be modest and there will potentially be a significant number leaving. If you are anticipating an influx of talented players, I fear you are in for a disappointment. Regardless, you still need a squad offering options and back up. Nuhiu has proved perfectly capable of being such a contributor. A club in our circumstances simply cannot have 20-25 top players vying for the first team. Some have to accept a reserve role. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) We will have our cheapest ever squad then in typical contrary Wednesday fashion steam the league. Edited February 28, 2020 by Inspector Lestrade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 He’s invaluable at times. Inconsistent and ineffective at others. I like him for what it is. I think people expect too much from him. Id be keeping him Cos we’d struggle to replace what he does offer, and other teams in the championship would benefit greatly from a player like him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 20 hours ago, shandypants said: How is he awful? I fvvcking despair at some of our fans at times. your entitled to your opinion bud,i go home and away and have never seen really what he offers,he tries,yes,but he is a striker and his strike rate is a joke,as for making the space the other night for Fletch to score,he fell over,ffs,don't dislike him, admire his effort,but could you imagine if we went up,him coming on in the premier,really,anyway opinions differ,imo now we have Wickham and Windass,can't see him getting much time on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, brando said: your entitled to your opinion bud,i go home and away and have never seen really what he offers,he tries,yes,but he is a striker and his strike rate is a joke,as for making the space the other night for Fletch to score,he fell over,ffs,don't dislike him, admire his effort,but could you imagine if we went up,him coming on in the premier,really,anyway opinions differ,imo now we have Wickham and Windass,can't see him getting much time on the pitch ps makes Chapman look like Shearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 If you was building a squad for promotion then I doubt many would include him. He should only come on with 10 mins to go when we have tried everything else. When he starts, often you hardly notice that he's on the pitch. Love the guy but he's very limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I love the big man, he is the all time cult hero but this season should be his last. we can probably pick up a wild card bench player who is younger and fitter cheap from the lower leagues or overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, brando said: your entitled to your opinion bud,i go home and away and have never seen really what he offers,he tries,yes,but he is a striker and his strike rate is a joke,as for making the space the other night for Fletch to score,he fell over,ffs,don't dislike him, admire his effort,but could you imagine if we went up,him coming on in the premier,really,anyway opinions differ,imo now we have Wickham and Windass,can't see him getting much time on the pitch he's not a striker he's a target man who can defend …...everyone knows he's not going to score on a regular basis but when the chips are down whether 1-0 up or down he's the bloke to throw on ….you say you go home and away well so do the managers who pick him and they all have ever since hes been here ….perhaps your right and they are wrong but I doubt that they are . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) On 27/02/2020 at 17:54, nevthelodgemoorowl said: He was sub 23 times on the team sheet for the last time (Unused) in a 2-2 draw v WBA 18/11/68 he was sold on to Rotherham IMO a big mistake. Our first named sub was Wilf Smith at Old Trafford 3-3 draw 21/8/65. Our first sub to get on was David Ford home v Sunderland in a 3-1 win 23/10/65. I don't recall quinny as a super sub nev the first one I heard called that was ian Nimmo in the 70s..... ……...smith was the first but we didn't draw 3-3 we lost we 1-0 Edited February 28, 2020 by torryowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 big and awkward has good feet when he tries to use them ,gives his all ,shooting lets him down ,useful player to have as impact player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, brando said: ...but he is a striker and his strike rate is a joke... Sure, it's not great, but his strike rate is nowhere near as bad as the accepted wisdom would have you believe. And judging a striker as nothing more than a number on a page that doesn't even require watching him play is painfully limited. I don't understand this unquestioned obsession with viewing defenders as a unit but attackers as individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexpistol Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 If you actually look at some of the goals he has scored, he is pretty good with his feet for such a big man. Look at his first ever goal for us v QPR and that one when he got a hatrick against Norwich. Some of his finishes have been sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, sexpistol said: If you actually look at some of the goals he has scored, he is pretty good with his feet for such a big man. Look at his first ever goal for us v QPR and that one when he got a hatrick against Norwich. Some of his finishes have been sublime. The one against pne when he was hemmed in by the corner flag was one of the best goals I've seen ... he's got the skill but when your that big it's the pace that holds him back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Mowly Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 He is impactful when we are pushing a lot of players forward- that’s why he is effective late on when we are chasing a goal. When he is isolated you can forget it - he offers very little. He works well when he has plenty of other bodies in and around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 10 hours ago, DJMortimer said: Sure, it's not great, but his strike rate is nowhere near as bad as the accepted wisdom would have you believe. And judging a striker as nothing more than a number on a page that doesn't even require watching him play is painfully limited. I don't understand this unquestioned obsession with viewing defenders as a unit but attackers as individuals. Agreed. Your resent comments in the Rhodes-Fletcher “unit” thread contradict you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 11 hours ago, torryowl said: he's not a striker he's a target man who can defend …...everyone knows he's not going to score on a regular basis but when the chips are down whether 1-0 up or down he's the bloke to throw on ….you say you go home and away well so do the managers who pick him and they all have ever since hes been here ….perhaps your right and they are wrong but I doubt that they are . I was just about to make this point myself. It seems that, nowadays, many fans don’t know the difference between a striker and a centre-forward (Rhodes being the former and Nuhiu being the latter), and it seems that the understanding has been lost that a centre-forward isn’t expected to get you the goals but to link the play and be a target and that a high strike rate is a bonus. Nuhiu does a good job as a centre-forward but he will never be successful as a striker because that’s not his job. A ce forward cannot be judged on the amount of goals scored alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Owly Mowly said: He is impactful when we are pushing a lot of players forward- that’s why he is effective late on when we are chasing a goal. When he is isolated you can forget it - he offers very little. He works well when he has plenty of other bodies in and around him Made the same point myself the other game but that’s to do with the tactics also. Why do we hit the ball long to an isolated Nuhiu in a 4-5-1? We need to heat players around him to pick up the pieces when he gets something on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 14 hours ago, Steve Down South said: I think you sum the position up pretty well, but if we have no expectation of attracting a couple of talented players (from lower leagues or possibly released by Premier League clubs) we might as well pack up and go home. I agree there’s no way we can support a large squad of top players, but those on bench should at least be worthy of a start in event of injury / suspension. Just a pity our development of young talent has been so poor, seems to be little prospect of such players bolstering the first team squad next season. Agree with if a player is on the bench he should be good enough to start Nuihu isn't good enough and we will never do anything if we have to rely on him for goals I get the impression the "impact sub" term is just something that his supporters are using to justify him being at the club They say things like "defenders dont know how to handle him" ...really ? I'd say the amount of goals he has scored shows they no very well how to handle him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Could very easily be replaced by a non league player of similar stature. He's like the centre half you chuck up front for last ten minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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