Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: No he took out loans against it and FFP wasn’t around then either Those loans were chicken feed .. Compared to what this muppet has spunked away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, torres said: We were treading water under MM in my opinion. We did well with our free signings but lets not kid ourselves the football was woeful, the pitch was a disgrace and we were going nowhere. MM knew what to say and when to say it to get enough people on board, helped by dishing out a few £10 tickets now and again. DC had (has) progression in mind - he just doesn't have the the individual knowledge/ability or the right team around him. No one can blame him for his intentions but i am not sure anyone can defend how he's gone about it It could not be more typical Wednesday!!! Spot on summary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Just now, Mrs Blenkinsops shed said: Those loans were chicken feed .. Compared to what this muppet has spunked away. Why the vitriol no need - chicken feed you say about 10-15 million of chicken feed. It’s ok as long as it’s not your money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Bit strong.. Ah the old as long as it's not your money... Relatively speaking hes put the same in as what I have for the last 40 odd years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Mrs Blenkinsops shed said: Bit strong.. Ah the old as long as it's not your money... Relatively speaking hes put the same in as what I have for the last 40 odd years. If that’s what you believe I’ll leave you to your own little world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, hugeowl said: Why ? Players like Forestieri were never going to be signed under his reign. Investment got us back to back playoffs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: Agreed but 100 odd million has not been spent on playing staff has it? The issue with the team is DCs reluctance to move players on and freshen up the squad when it was required. This has resulted in the players being too comfortable and the rest of the issues we presently have. Won’t be far off when you look at wages Criminal amount of wasted money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meadows Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, torres said: We were treading water under MM in my opinion. We did well with our free signings but lets not kid ourselves the football was woeful, the pitch was a disgrace and we were going nowhere. MM knew what to say and when to say it to get enough people on board, helped by dishing out a few £10 tickets now and again. DC had (has) progression in mind - he just doesn't have the the individual knowledge/ability or the right team around him. No one can blame him for his intentions but i am not sure anyone can defend how he's gone about it It could not be more typical Wednesday!!! the footballs still woeful, and we are still going nowhere... well possibly L1, with DC's man in charge and/ or a possible points deduction (thanks DC) we do have a nice pitch though i grant you that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, pazowl55 said: Players like Forestieri were never going to be signed under his reign. Investment got us back to back playoffs. Chansiri's investment in players has never been the issue for me. Spending £3 million on players like Forestieri and Hooper in the modern market is not excessive. The problem has always been the imbalance in the transfer policy. That is to say signing players that were not needed and not selling on when necessary. People that try to defend Chansiri over the accumulated losses usually compare against other clubs like Villa or Derby. They have spent far more. We have ended up categorised in the same bracket as them because we have not balanced purchases with sales. On the same note, I have seen comments on here using the "If we had have sold him, there would have been meltdown on here". In my time supporting Wednesday, I have seen players like Dalian Atkinson, John Harkes, Paul Warhurst and Carlton Palmer sold to balance the books or fund other signings. Yeah, of course it grinds people but most are adult enough to realise that there are times when things like that have to be done. Players come and go. That is the nature of football. I wish Chansiri could have realised that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: No he took out loans against it and FFP wasn’t around then either FFP was in force then - at least for some of MM’s reign. Believe it was first enforced 2012/13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr Meadows said: the footballs still woeful, and we are still going nowhere... well possibly L1, with DC's man in charge and/ or a possible points deduction (thanks DC) we do have a nice pitch though i grant you that As explained - that is due to mis-management not lack of intentions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Pablo Bonvin said: This is becoming like The Masked Singer. Sorry, just admitted I watched that.. This is getting confusing. We need to whittle it down. So hands up who is Neil, that will reduce the numbers then we can take it from there Edited February 25, 2020 by S36 OWL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, S36 OWL said: This is getting confusing. We need to whittle it down. So hands up who is Neil, that will reduce the numbers then we can take it from there I'm not NEIL , To handsome well at his age I was , sorry Neil :) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Sonny said: FFP was in force then - at least for some of MM’s reign. Believe it was first enforced 2012/13. Agreed but not fully enforced until 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: Chansiri's investment in players has never been the issue for me. Spending £3 million on players like Forestieri and Hooper in the modern market is not excessive. The problem has always been the imbalance in the transfer policy. That is to say signing players that were not needed and not selling on when necessary. People that try to defend Chansiri over the accumulated losses usually compare against other clubs like Villa or Derby. They have spent far more. We have ended up categorised in the same bracket as them because we have not balanced purchases with sales. On the same note, I have seen comments on here using the "If we had have sold him, there would have been meltdown on here". In my time supporting Wednesday, I have seen players like Dalian Atkinson, John Harkes, Paul Warhurst and Carlton Palmer sold to balance the books or fund other signings. Yeah, of course it grinds people but most are adult enough to realise that there are times when things like that have to be done. Players come and go. That is the nature of football. I wish Chansiri could have realised that. Again another spot on summary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mort AMB Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: Agreed but not fully enforced until 2015 Wasn't it 2014 and the accounts used 2013 , forest were on their second embargo in 2015. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30478833 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: This is getting confusing. We need to whittle it down. So hands up who is Neil, that will reduce the numbers then we can take it from there Mods need to sort this out or at the very least post an index of those who have multiple logins and who their pseudonyms are! Absolutely taking the p!ss out of other posters and invalidating any poll ever held on here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbelly Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: Chansiri's investment in players has never been the issue for me. Spending £3 million on players like Forestieri and Hooper in the modern market is not excessive. The problem has always been the imbalance in the transfer policy. That is to say signing players that were not needed and not selling on when necessary. People that try to defend Chansiri over the accumulated losses usually compare against other clubs like Villa or Derby. They have spent far more. We have ended up categorised in the same bracket as them because we have not balanced purchases with sales. On the same note, I have seen comments on here using the "If we had have sold him, there would have been meltdown on here". In my time supporting Wednesday, I have seen players like Dalian Atkinson, John Harkes, Paul Warhurst and Carlton Palmer sold to balance the books or fund other signings. Yeah, of course it grinds people but most are adult enough to realise that there are times when things like that have to be done. Players come and go. That is the nature of football. I wish Chansiri could have realised that. I agree to an extent, but what I’d add to that is due to players fitness/injuries we’ve often not been in a position to sell our assets for a profit. In hindsight there was a moment for each player when we either sold or kept hold of for another push at promotion. The opportunities for selling came quite early in DCs time when there was a real possibility we could go up. Soon after turning these offers down we were beset with constant injuries and issues surrounding fitness that ultimately destroyed any opportunity to sell for anywhere near what those players were worth to us. Yes, there were obviously times where we should have cut our losses and we were fools not to but the Carlos/Jos season we were literally down to bare bones and needed to keep hold of what we had to put out a side. We were then stuck with expensive crocks no one wanted and we have had to watch them run down their expensive contracts and limp off to pastures new. This is why we haven’t refreshed our squad to any great extent - no bugger wanted our once pretty good but now crocked players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: This is getting confusing. We need to whittle it down. So hands up who is Neil, that will reduce the numbers then we can take it from there 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pioowl Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 24/02/2020 at 13:07, ChinaOwl said: I have never come across any other business that operate with wages costs amounting to 130%+ of the total annual turnover. I have never come across any other businesses that are willing to give employees carte blanche on what they earn. I am led to believe that our club made losses equivalent to the full three years' permitted losses in one year alone. I think that FFP or P & S is far from perfect. Adjustments are necessary but there needs to be some mechanism for reining in the excessive spending that occurs in football. Regardless of what you say, there are clubs that do operate within the constraints of P & S. Some can also do so and maintain competitive league positions or even promotion. I would rather not use it as an excuse. I would rather use it as a reason to adjust the status quo. As for my business, I have constraints put on losses I am permitted to make. Some of them are generated by creditors, some by government but most are self regulatory. I,m learning something every day,even in my advanced years.Could you advise me what the constraints are and by what authority i.e. " 1 on losses I am permitted to make,2 those generated by creditors ,and 3 " some by government.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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