Buxtongent Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, HelloThere said: We thought the same with Chris Martin but the rules about season long loans changed and the parent club no longer seems to have the automatic right to recall a player without the club he is currently at agreeing to it. And, regrettably, this ,I feel, is the correct way.The loan system is not meant to be a way of players getting experience/game time, but a way of a lesser club being able to strengthen its weaknesses. When the swap occurred, CC obviously felt he had an abundance of strikers, but was weaker in defence. Unfortunately, it is proving as I have long advocated, maintained during our recent run of 'no attempts at goal', and still maintain. The defence is CRAP. What is the point of wasting efforts on goalif we are going to leak like a sieve at the back. Look at the period when we had a run of clean sheets. Who was invariably the MOM -the Keeper. In other words it was Westwood at that time who was keeping us in the game NOT the defence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Doubt we'll get Winnall back and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't put in a cheeky offer to sign him (say 2 million) as we need some cash to avoid FFP concerns. They can,however, wait till the summer. Good thing that Butterfield's move was just a loan with an option to buy rather than a permanent one. He is contracted to Derby for another season, I believe. If I were them I'd give him away and even then I wouldn't want us to sign him. He's cost us goals this season without making any assists or scoring himself. Waste of a shirt IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling Wolfe Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 It seems ironic that the team that owns Winnal's registration cannot recall him. Only at Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan93 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Why bring him back? We have NOBODY that can assist him. It will just knock his confidence. We need a new midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, Buxtongent said: Regrettably, Johnny, I have to agree with you. And it's not all management's fault.! Winnall was 'snatched ' from a side where he was scoring goals, playing regularly, adored by the fans, and taken a few miles to a side which obviously wanted Jordan Rhodes (Management & Fans) who seemed the cream but unavailable. I think almost everyone, management & FANS considered him a second best option. He was then asked to play a different role from the one he had adopted. The fans didnt worship him, or even take to him, let alone give him a chance to settle. Rhodes, at the very last minute, becomes available, and is purchased. Winnall goes from being a regular to a bench player, eventually losing that little crumb of comfort, and is sent out on a season-long loan to a side that is prepared to give him more game time, and is challenging for promotion while his own club is in what can only be described as a state of chaos. Forget your Blue & White beliefs and put yourself in Sam's place. What would your decision be? This is a pretty perfect summing up of the situation, if he comes back is going to happy, no not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassetts Allsorts Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Can anyone confirm the 100% truth on Winnall's exit? I've heard two rumours: Bust up with Fernando Bullying youth team players Another example of Chansiri's inexperience when it comes to transfer dealings. Embarrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 38 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: They should have no choice in it, Winnall is our player not there's. They do have a pretty major say in it though, whether we like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 54 minutes ago, steveger said: I wouldn't want to come back if i was him, look how he got shafted Agree 100%. Why would he agree to come back here if he didn't have to? He was MASSIVELY mismanaged here and clearly had the confidence drained out of him. Scores away at Barnsley after having dog's abuse then not even in the matchday squad next match?? His scoring record in the Championship is fantastic. But gets shipped out in a swap deal for a truly terrible player. Madness. But sums us up as a club this season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloThere Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 The more I see of Sheffield Wednesday the more I come to the conclusion you are on the same path as us but a season behind; We both got to Wembley and arsed it up Followed it up with high expectations and another failed playoff attempt Followed that up with a season of rubbish and trying to recall a striker from a loan deal to a rival that should never have happened in the first place If it's any consolation if I am right you are due an up turn next season! If it had to be you guys or the Blades doing well I would take you lot all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Loaning Winnal out was the best thing to do at the time. He wasn't in Carlos,s plans and would have been left to rot with maybe the occasional subs performance. By loaning him out and him scoring goals we now have an asset worth probably 4/5 million. If we could get him back great, try to tempt Derby by letting them have Rhodes as a replacement, you never know a decent team and manager may get him firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Poor Sam. Bet he's delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Concrete Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Buxtongent said: Regrettably, Johnny, I have to agree with you. And it's not all management's fault.! Winnall was 'snatched ' from a side where he was scoring goals, playing regularly, adored by the fans, and taken a few miles to a side which obviously wanted Jordan Rhodes (Management & Fans) who seemed the cream but unavailable. I think almost everyone, management & FANS considered him a second best option. He was then asked to play a different role from the one he had adopted. The fans didnt worship him, or even take to him, let alone give him a chance to settle. Rhodes, at the very last minute, becomes available, and is purchased. Winnall goes from being a regular to a bench player, eventually losing that little crumb of comfort, and is sent out on a season-long loan to a side that is prepared to give him more game time, and is challenging for promotion while his own club is in what can only be described as a state of chaos. Forget your Blue & White beliefs and put yourself in Sam's place. What would your decision be? Id rather stay where I am mate. I don't know what went off between Sam and FF but it obviously caused tension amongst the team hence why he was loaned out, I think if he's made a couple of enemies here then best thing we can do is let him stay at Derby and hopefully recoup some money back to put towards other areas. Shame as I really rate the lad and think he's a proven scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 How do you get into a position where you can only get your player back if some other club agrees? FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, theowlsman said: How do you get into a position where you can only get your player back if some other club agrees? FFS. It's called a contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, alanharper said: It's called a contract. OK Mr Clever Trousers, I'll re-phrase. How on Earth do you get yourself in a position where a loan agreement doesn't include a call-back clause? Beggars belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingleyOwl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I bet Rowett couldn’t believe his luck when we agreed to have Butterfield. He’s utter twaddle. I bet the management at Derby laughed heavily when they saw the replay of Butterfield giving the penalty away at the weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acquiescefc Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Great. Another opportunity to use the words 'frustrated', 'disillusioned' and 'lack of service' for our attacking abilities. Not like he's been a starter at sheep worriers. Personally I rate him but it's same promble as before and doesn't fix owt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Should never have let him leave in the first place. another shocking decision the club made this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloThere Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, BingleyOwl said: I bet Rowett couldn’t believe his luck when we agreed to have Butterfield. He’s utter twaddle. I bet the management at Derby laughed heavily when they saw the replay of Butterfield giving the penalty away at the weekend! We actually wanted him to do well for you guys so we didn't have to have him back! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sl-OWL-ly Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: The fact Bully doesn't know the terms of the loan, says everything we need to know how poorly our club is being run. Wtf is that Joe bloke who never speaks doing ? Has anyone even seen him at the club ? I believe he’s only on the “commercial” side not the football side of the business.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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