WalthamOwl Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Done very well at other clubs but without sounding to disrespectful the expectation and demand here would be so much bigger. Would be a gamble but he does seem to play exciting football at Brentford. Certainly a lot worse managers out there but i doubt someone like Smith would be a name that would ever cross the mind of DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Next manager will have to be a yes man like Carlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 The next Sean Dyche?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Done very well at other clubs but without sounding to disrespectful the expectation and demand here would be so much bigger. Would be a gamble but he does seem to play exciting football at Brentford. Certainly a lot worse managers out there but i doubt someone like Smith would be a name that would ever cross the mind of DC. Whoever a club signs, Manager, Coach or player, it is always a gamble, but I feel that some one like Smith, Johnson, Cook etc have done their apprenticeships and are ready to move on and up. Either way, I believe we will have to wait till May 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: The next Sean Dyche?. Just what I was thinking. British manager who knows lower leagues inside out, with bright ideas and fresh aproach. Both seem as strong personalities to me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) It will never happen because he won't be "big" enough for our chairman and probably not the sort of manager he wants at the club. Maybe a bit presumptuous, but I just get that impression. That said, Dean Smith is a fantastic manager with what he does. If he could get as much out of the players here that he does at Brentford we'd get promoted in our first full season with him in charge. The word of consequence is if. He has no experience at a "big" club and a lot of the atmosphere, expectations and experience of all aspects of the club (including players) will be different to his working environment at Brentford. Same job, very different challenge. But all good managers have had to take that step up sometime and he has exactly the sort of philosophies that we can be excused of being weak for the last couple of years... attacking play, not overspending, bringing through youth and (h)energy. And we're hardly a big 'step up' from Brentford these days anyway. If I were calling the shots he'd be my first choice. We wouldn't waste any more money on superfluous players that's for sure. They'd come into the matchday 18 and they'd improve month on month as they get developed by good coaching. At least we'd have the satisfaction of seeing our players grow into better footballers Edited November 28, 2017 by StudentOwl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: Be amazed if we went for a British manager when CC goes. i agree. More chance of me being in charge than DC hiring a British manager.... aint fashionable is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian joicey Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, bazapeps said: Whilst the majority agree that we need new direction, it seems a large voice keeps saying that there is no else available. Personally I think that smacks of arrogance, that fans feel there are no other suitable candidates that can progress us (surely it wouldn't be difficult at present). There are managers out there with good experience - Lambert, Davies, Pardew et al, all managers with experience of promotion. Elsewhere you have the likes of Paul Hurst and Paul Cook, with excellent lower league records, who appear ready for the step up. The most obvious choice for me at present is Dean Smith. I fully expect to be shot down as he's not a 'fashionable' name but he's worked wonders at Walsall and Brentford. He plays open attractive football, his teams score goals, he develops youth, has an eye for talent, seems to the type to take no bull and most importantly gets the very best out of the players he has (the opposite of our manager). He's consistently had his teams over achieving based on the financial budgets he's worked with. His experience at Hillsborough as a player can only help too. bang on the money!! it's a yes from me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 He was a rubbish player for us. Hmmm, this could just work. Not particularly impressive ex players who did a great job as SWFC manager - Howard Wilkinson Good ex players who were a mixed bag as SWFC manager before ultimately failing - Derek Dooley, Trevor Francis, Gary Megson (depending on the poster, Meggo might also be placed in either of the other categories!) Good ex players who were rubbish as SWFC manager - Peter Eustace, Danny Wilson, Chris Turner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) We won’t be looking for anyone until the end of the season and even then I could see him being given another one. I’m convinced that when there’s a parting of the ways it’ll be Carlos’ decision to go. As for replacements as well as Smith, Johnson and Heckingbottom are doing elsewhere at the moment, it’s different working here and the challenge and expectations may be too much for some. Edited November 28, 2017 by Great Big Galaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, bazapeps said: Whilst the majority agree that we need new direction, it seems a large voice keeps saying that there is no else available. Personally I think that smacks of arrogance, that fans feel there are no other suitable candidates that can progress us (surely it wouldn't be difficult at present). There are managers out there with good experience - Lambert, Davies, Pardew et al, all managers with experience of promotion. Elsewhere you have the likes of Paul Hurst and Paul Cook, with excellent lower league records, who appear ready for the step up. The most obvious choice for me at present is Dean Smith. I fully expect to be shot down as he's not a 'fashionable' name but he's worked wonders at Walsall and Brentford. He plays open attractive football, his teams score goals, he develops youth, has an eye for talent, seems to the type to take no bull and most importantly gets the very best out of the players he has (the opposite of our manager). He's consistently had his teams over achieving based on the financial budgets he's worked with. His experience at Hillsborough as a player can only help too. And therein lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Yes please, knows the league, plays good football and seems to maximise his squad resource well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Praise the Lord. A thread with sensible, well argued suggestions, and no-one attacking posters cos they dislike their views. More please. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshTheOwl Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, malek said: I enjoy watching Brentford play, and whenever I see them can't help but thinking how Smith would walk the league with squad like ours. Almost like we recruited to suit style of football that his teams have been playing. Words taken out of my mouth. Was very impressed with them when they played us earlier on in the season, a game where had they finished chances they could have been 5 nil up at half time. Squad with our talent you can only expect that he’d get them firing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 It will be another manager who is prepared to work under the existing system. ..which limits options somewhat and probably why we ended up with CC. doubt very much if Smith would come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Those two are both at clubs that have a Moneyball team behind them for Recruitment. They'd wanna bring 'em but no way are Doyen having some Stats nerds buying players. Mutch better to have your client/ puppet Carlos in the club buying players you suggest. That way, you can also get a fee from selling club and / or move in another client (eg Joao). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 that pg guy that keeps negging people won't like the idea of being offered alternatives to Carverall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) If Carlos is ever disposed of... Paul Lambert and Dean Smith would be very high on my managerial shortlist. Lambert has proven himself at various levels, has promotion on his CV and has set teams up previously to mix it up a bit. Very versatile manager. Dean Smith, like Lambert, has done the hard miles in League One, and is now proving himself to be a very adept manager at this level. Has Brentford very well organised and play some brilliant football. Has a good network and structure behind him at Brentford, which he won't have here however. Interestingly enough, the manager I think we'd appoint, if Carlos ever leaves, Paula Fonseca, has been linked to the Everton job this week. He's a Doyen client, currently working at Shahktar Donetsk (where Joe Palmer has worked previously) and Portuguese. Would fit the remit Carlos previously fit. Edited November 28, 2017 by frastheowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 He's the most realistic candidate that i can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorrallOwl17 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Would love him here but like said previously, I don't think the players at his disposal here would suit his style of play. Maybe the centre midfielders wouldn't need changing Woods and Yennaris or Bannan and Lee is pretty much as you were, but where he has Ollie Watkins, Canos, Sawyers, Jozefoon, Vibe, Maupay has his attacking options we have Wallace, Fletcher, Hooper, Rhodes. Miles apart in terms of what he looks for in a side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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