sonofbert2 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just think if we go up automatic next season in our anniversary year and United go down. Remember, God's a Wednesdayite after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey9 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, The Claw said: 2011: 15th league 1 2012: 2nd league 1 2013: 18th championship 2014: 16th championship 2015: 13th championship 2016: 6th championship 2017: 4th championship what's your problem? Can you please put level of spending at the side of each year in question so as we can make an honest assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatzooma Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, The Claw said: 2011: 15th league 1 2012: 2nd league 1 2013: 18th championship 2014: 16th championship 2015: 13th championship 2016: 6th championship 2017: 4th championship what's your problem? We didn't learn from last year and recruited very poorly... should have been ours this year but hey ho...at least we tried and took part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey9 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Used right Rhodes could get us out of the division. If Carlos stays he will be coming on making cameo appearances off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Holmowl said: I'm a frapper - frustrated clapper. Im unbelievably delighted with overall progress, and looking forward to another season, but terribly frustrated with throwing away such an opportunity so predictably and feebly. For me this is down to the coach. Poor tactics and negative decisions have cost us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggoisgod Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 For me I hope Carlos stays on the condition we revert to attacking pacey football that lifts the crowd. We need some fast wingers who can get the ball into Rhodes...on paper we have the best striker in the league the objective must be to supply him with opportunities. Play like that and the support all be huge and vociferous irrespective of whether we go up or not...uto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, The Claw said: 2011: 15th league 1 2012: 2nd league 1 2013: 18th championship 2014: 16th championship 2015: 13th championship 2016: 6th championship 2017: 4th championship what's your problem? It looks good, that sequence, but how many different managers were involved? If that were the progress made under a single manager I would give them a 5 year contract on the spot. But it's not. Several different managers fell by the wayside in getting us where we are today. Now I'm not saying sack Carlos, but sometimes a manager or head coach gets us to a certain level and then progress stalls. They run out of ideas, inspiration, motivation whatever, but they get to a point where they've taken us as far as they can and then we need someone new, with fresh ideas and a different approach. As to whether Carlos has reached that point, that's another discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) Tiny fraction of our fanbase are never happy and the rest are just trolls and pork (or both). Edited May 19, 2017 by AwokenGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballmeist Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Can you also post our expenditure over the relevant seasons. That'll probably start to tell a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Very simplistic way of looking at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mercury Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 49 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Just think if we go up automatic next season in our anniversary year and United go down. Remember, God's a Wednesdayite after all. Hope I'm revisiting this post this time next year and plussing it to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, David1867 said: Looks great on paper, but you are missing the fact that we just folded again in the playoffs. We probably won't get a better chance and we bottled it. This 100 times. We'll never have a better chance. We blew it. Bottled it dare I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike312 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Part of the equation is quite simple really, we have the best strike force in the division, including the ones that have gone up, in Rhodes, Fletcher, Winnall, Forestieri, Hooper. Nuhiu, Joao. All good in the air (all have other attributes obviously) but we just don't get enough crosses in. Winnall was the leading headed goal scorer when we signed him so what do we do? Play it to his feet. Wingers needed next season and the focus has to be to play to our forwards strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Huge outlay on transfers, to a large extent wasted. Questionable tactics at best. Shockingly dull football to watch. Not moans, just valid opinions shared by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I admit I am a bit of a moaner but to me a lot of it is to do with ticket prices. Ticket prices have gone up and I don't feel I have got my moneys worth this season. Sat there bored once too often for my liking recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) Hinchcliffe and Wayne Andrews summed it up perfectly after the game Basically saying we have top players at our disposal but Carlos doesn't have a worthwhile game plan . He puts the players out there and hope that one of them can produce something In my opinion any manager worth his salt could have achieved what Carlos has done with the tools at his disposal and probably more And Id bet not one manager would have set up like he did for the Huddersfield games Edited May 19, 2017 by the monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulcinella Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Last year we were so happy to finish just in the play-offs at 6th. At the beginning of this year we would have been so happy to have solidified and finish 4th. Don't forget at the beginning of the year we'd have thought Norwich would have been far better than they turned out to be, and Villa may have been also. Next year is the big year. No falling back. It's the first year that we'll have proper expectation that we could feasibly finish top 2. Give CC another year. If we're not top 2 then get rid. But as the OP says, we've got better every year since 2011, so why not stick with the task in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: Huge outlay on transfers, to a large extent wasted. Questionable tactics at best. Shockingly dull football to watch. Not moans, just valid opinions shared by many. Cant really argue with the first statement, but those "questionable tactics" and "shockingly dull football" have guided us to 4th place in an incredibly tough league, with the added expectation from our success the year before. Careful what you wish for. We don't have the players to play the way some people want us to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, the monk said: Hinchcliffe and Wayne Andrews summed it up perfectly after the game Basically saying we have top players at our disposal but Carlos doesn't have a worthwhile game plan . He puts the players out there and hope that one of them can produce something In my opinion any manager worth his salt could have achieved what Carlos has done with the tools at his disposal and probably more And Id bet not one manager would have set up like he did for the Huddersfield games Spot on Apart from Wayne Andrews unless he's changed colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mishowl said: The problem for me is: The aim was promotion and we failed. We are as boring to watch now as we were under Grey. Millions and millions wasted on bang average players that are on long contracts and are in the twilight of their careers. Far too heavily reliant, given the money spent, on the squad Grey put together on a shoestring. Failure to address the obvious weaknesses in the squad. No balance to the side. Insisting on playing certain players regardless of formation resulting in square pegs in round holes. Refusal, on the face of it at least, to give other players a chance. I don't believe CC will take us up. Maybe I'm a moaner or baybe I just view what is success differently to others. This is spot on. I can deal with the loss and having to wait another season as long as these things are acted upon. Penalty shootouts might as well be a coin flip for what good they are anyway. We have to realise our mistakes and set them right in order to progress. Edited May 19, 2017 by OwlofOliveGrove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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