darklord Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Who was the last player we bought from overseas who was a success? Chris Waddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Who was the last player we bought from overseas who was a success? Exactly, we have had our fingers burned so many times it's embarrassing The smart footballing clubs have mastered this and bring in quality players, we need to exploit this market in a much improved manner and catch up with the times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 So, people want us to sign players who we know will be good? Bleedin madness! But you don't know McGugan will be good. That's not an assured guarantee. By various accounts he had an attitude problem at Forest and was then sold to Watford, where he's failed to settle, made just 40 appearences since 2013 and was woefully short of consideration for their first team last year, hence why we were able to get him in the first place. McGugan's a good player who I still hope we sign, but too many of our fans are putting him on a pedestal and pinning the hopes of our entire summer on him. We've been here before. Just like we have with players who impress on loan then do f*ck all once signed permamently, and yes, just like we have with foreign players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Not read all the thread so can someone summarise it please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 But you don't know McGugan will be good. That's not an assured guarantee. By various accounts he had an attitude problem at Forest and was then sold to Watford, where he's failed to settle, made just 40 appearences since 2013 and was woefully short of consideration for their first team last year, hence why we were able to get him in the first place. McGugan's a good player who I still hope we sign, but too many of our fans are putting him on a pedestal and pinning the hopes of our entire summer on him. We've been here before. Just like we have with players who impress on loan then do f*ck all once signed permamently, and yes, just like we have with foreign players. Examples? Every player who impressed on loan for us never ends up signing and normally goes on to do well elsewhere. Marshall, Wickham, Batth. I can only think of Potter who I thought was decent on loan but once signed permanently was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD2OWL Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Not read all the thread so can someone summarise it please ? Basically someone might be signing tonight, they passed a medical and failed it, they are a cheap but expensive gamble and McGugan is our saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devonshire_owl Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I understand and agree with you. This Polish guy may well turn out to be better than McGugan, but it is still a cheap gamble which can go either way. If you sign a player like McGugan who has played for us before, knows the area, scored goals at this level, has experience at this level and who we know is capable of delivering- i'd much rather go for McGugan over the cheap foreigner. At the end of the day if the player is good enough they should play, doesn't matter where they come from or whatever. But I do believe it would be safer to sign proven quality at this level to try and get promoted, albeit it is more expensive. Unless we are spending millions on foreign talent, cheap foreign signings in the hope they will come off in my opinion is a risky strategy and not one which will guarantee success. Agreed. And I also don't think £2mil is overly inflated for McGugan (other than the fact he is entering the last year of his contract) compared to the other ridiculously sky high fees being paid for British players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsons Cross Owl Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Not read all the thread so can someone summarise it please ? Might, or might not be signing someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This Polish guy may well turn out to be better than McGugan, but it is still a cheap gamble which can go either way. How do you know this? Do you know the search criteria of our scouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallorcaOwl Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Not read all the thread so can someone summarise it please ? The foreign players are not good enough, yes they are no they are not yes they are no they are not yes they are no they are not and so it goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkerowl Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 BTW even though it's got nothing to do with the England side who Wednesday sign, why is there so little credit for England's unbeaten qualifying season, and we're not even the highest seeded team in the group! Loads of the team could've played for the 21s too, so we have a young, winning, England side and people talk like they're **** on a shoe! they've won nowt in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ellis Rimmer Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Not basing English players - bashing the English Football System. I for one want good quality English players to be developed so that we can be a force once again in the Champions League and at a national level. However, the league and development system at present does not allow for good English talent to progress in a way that will enable them to compete with our European neighbours such as Spain, Italy and Germany. In relation to Wednesday, I am willing to give foreign players ago because their quality is generally higher than those already in the English league, and they are a damn sight cheaper. 1. Tidman 2. Cobian 3. 4. Blondeau 5. 6. Pecnik 7. Esajas 8. Jonk 9. De Bilde 10. Olsen 11. Lekaj Let's raid the foreign market for more talent like this! There is a long list of attackers that coudl've been selected We've not done bad with defenders so maybe just stick to foreigners in defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Knew we'd be signing more Portugese, we are loving them right now Anyone know much about Mervan Celik? Sounds like a Carvalho reccomendation with him having managed in Turkey. watch the vid clip i put on mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 But you don't know McGugan will be good. That's not an assured guarantee. By various accounts he had an attitude problem at Forest and was then sold to Watford, where he's failed to settle, made just 40 appearences since 2013 and was woefully short of consideration for their first team last year, hence why we were able to get him in the first place. Nothing is guaranteed in football. But isn't signing someone with a proven track record far more reassuring. Regarding his time at Watford, he topped double figures for them in his first season. Then they suddenly had access to more players that would have probably been out of their league without their owners links. He's a class above any player we've owned for years. Such a wasted opportunity if we don't get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I must admit, I wanted to see us bring McGugan back here but, it seems, that is not our market. If we have to rummage about in the bins, then let's do it where we'll find the better bargains. Don't really have a problem with shopping overseas, but if the owner's lofty aims are to be achieved, at some point we will need to invest in some genuine quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxondale Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 No medicals planned today as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 The bottom line is a fanbase our opinions are so polarised it's untrue. Nuhiu's a decent player, No he's sh!te. Helan's got potential, don't talk b*ll*cks. Give Roeder a chance, he might just be good at what he's been brought here to do, F**k that, he's done s*d all wherever he's been. Just a selection of some of the opinions you get on here. That said this is a site where opinions are part and parcel of what makes this site the place it is. You're never going to get people to completely agree on one particular subject and that's perfectly understandable. My argument is there's never any common ground, no grey areas amidst the arguments. It's either good or bad, no in between and IMO this is why as a fanbase we'll always argue the to$$ and perhaps indirectly play a part in perhaps stopping the club realise it's full potential because we just aren't prepared to give certain players, certain managers/head coaches, certain club decisions/structures/committees a fair chance to perhaps prove some of us wrong or indeed right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I can only think of Potter who I thought was decent on loan but once signed permanently was terrible. Well there's your example. How many do you need? I'm not saying McGugan is as bad as Darren Potter and I'm not saying we shouldn't sign him based on that possibility. That's as brain dead and pig ignorant as saying we shouldn't sign anymore players from Europe just because it hasn't worked for us in the past. I just wish Wednesday fans would look further than the end of their nose once in a while. The game has changed. There are more players out there than just those who have played for us at any point in the last 12-18 months. Wednesday fans have a habit of hanging their entire hopes on individual players with no thought for the rest of the picture. Who knows, maybe we'll sign a player for less money than McGugan, whose younger than McGugan, who ends up being better than McGugan. Nobody on this forum can deny that's a possibility. Nobody at Championship level is irreplaceable in any team (and the closest we have to a player like that isn't a central midfielder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devonshire_owl Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 1. Tidman 2. Cobian 3. 4. Blondeau 5. 6. Pecnik 7. Esajas 8. Jonk 9. De Bilde 10. Olsen 11. Lekaj Let's raid the foreign market for more talent like this! There is a long list of attackers that coudl've been selected We've not done bad with defenders so maybe just stick to foreigners in defence? I am sure we could come up with a list of poor British based signings also but don't you worry we'll just focus on those you've listed there. In reality it all depends on the quality of the scouting. I am not sure how confident I am in Roeder but I will give the chap a chance because he has signed some decent players in his management career. We will just have to wait and see whether the players we sign can cut it in the English League. We're not exactly complaining about Loovens, Helan, Semedo, Melo, Nuhiu etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Where did they play their football though? You pay for quality- if you really want to sign the best European talent it's going to cost you just like it costs us to sign quality players in this league. Going for cheap foreign gambles it's hardly the answer to all our problems Err we arent going to sign the best English or European talent as were Sheffield Wednesday who finished mid table in the Championship last season lets just trust the guys at the club to do there job as generally they will no better than us on Owlstalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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