soldierboyblue Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: If we successfully appeal then that opens the floodgates for all sorts of stuff in football But if it's not upheld it also leaves the EFL in contempt for not pursuing the punishments when they should 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: The fact we breached FFP isn't in question. So we can only be appealing the number of pts deducted surely.? We are appealing the legality of the ruling as the EFL are saying we haven't legally breached anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, soldierboyblue said: But if it's not upheld it also leaves the EFL in contempt for not pursuing the punishments when they should Either way I don't think things can just carry on in football now There needs to be a total re-evaluation of the whole way football operates/works now surely? 6 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardiffowl06 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 The claim that punishment was delayed as we'd have avoided relegation shows an inconsistency in governance then the EFL fizzed up in bringing the charges is reason enough. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 F**k the EFL 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Chanbo! You want a war. I’ll give you a war you won’t f***ing believe. Go on Mr C. Give em hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toooldforthis Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chansiri is king said: It looks like Charlton have bigger-issues to get over before they start throwing money about on a legal case against us !!! A case that we could win given today’s statement therefore leaving their case high and dry I agree...I think we could win this appeal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I don't think this shows the EFL have an agenda against us. But it does show they want to cause maximum impact with their punishments by being inconsistent, unfair and open to bias in their implementation - which isn't acceptable IMO. The sanctions as well as the timelines for charge, investigation, decision and implementation of sanctions should be 100% transparent and consistent. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Nailed on the EFL will also appeal for a bigger punishment. I don't see what grounds they have for that. It's clear they are acting unfairly and with malicious intent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: The fact we breached FFP isn't in question. Yes it is. Quote Having discussed the transaction with the EFL, the EFL having approved it and the Club’s auditors having signed off on it, the Club believed, and continues to believe, it was acting properly and in accordance with the rules. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 The club said they where confident of winning the original case...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnishOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Bring them on! DC is on fire -- there shall be no lack of drama during the next season as well. After all. it's the Wednesday way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) If we lose the appeal can they punish us further for saying we have wasted everyone’s time with an appeal or something along those lines? Kind of like when clubs appeal a red card and sometimes players get an extra game ban. Edited August 17, 2020 by WalthamOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: The Club was disappointed with some of the decisions of the Disciplinary Commission and respectfully disagrees with both the finding that it was in breach of the P&S rules for the 2017/18 season and the sanction of a 12-point deduction to be applied in the 2020/21 season. It is important to highlight that the Commission did not find that the sale of the stadium was itself prohibited by the P&S rules, nor that the Club acted anything other than in the utmost good faith with respect to that transaction. The Club had been assured by the EFL that the stadium sale could be included in its 2017/18 P&S returns and relied on those assurances. Having discussed the transaction with the EFL, the EFL having approved it and the Club’s auditors having signed off on it, the Club believed, and continues to believe, it was acting properly and in accordance with the rules. It is disappointing, in those circumstances, that the Commission went on to find the Club was nevertheless in breach of Charge 1. The Club is pleased that Charge 2, which alleged that the Club had deliberately concealed certain matters from the EFL, was dismissed and that it was accepted that the Club acted openly and honestly in its dealings with the EFL. The Club further notes the Disciplinary Commission’s findings that this was a serious allegation that is not to be made lightly and an opportunity should have been afforded to the individuals involved to explain their position before the charge was brought. The Club welcomes the Disciplinary Commission’s suggestion that the EFL should have exercised its power to investigate under Regulations 82.2/3/4 as being a fairer approach rather than to bring the allegations without further investigation. Despite the EFL’s “sanctioning guidelines” (which it is not accepted apply in this case) providing for any points deduction sanction to take effect in the year following the breach (which in the Club’s case would have been the 2018/19 season when it finished 24 points clear of the relegation zone) and other mitigating factors, the Commission imposed the maximum 12-point deduction for next season. The EFL sought to have the sanction imposed in the 2019/20 season that has just concluded, which would have seen the Club relegated, in stark contrast to the position it adopted in the Derby County disciplinary proceedings where it was content for any sanction to be imposed next season because Derby would not be relegated. The Club is pleased the Commission rejected such an inconsistent approach to sanctioning by the EFL. Given the findings in respect of Charge 1 and the sanction imposed, the Club shall be appealing the Decision to an EFL League Arbitration Panel, both against the finding with respect to Charge 1 and the sanction. The Club believes its grounds of appeal to be strong. The Club will continue to take all appropriate steps to protect its interests, for the benefit of the Club and its supporters, and looks forward to the appeal being heard by the League Arbitration Panel at the earliest opportunity. While the Club does not set the timetable for the hearing of the appeal it considers it likely that it will take place in autumn 2020. The Club will make no further comment until the outcome of the appeal is known. Given the recent findings I’m glad they have appealed it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 What a circus this club has become. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BIG D Posted August 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2020 This is where the lucky elephants are going to come in very handy. 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: and.....? And they didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko1992 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, Sheff74 said: What a circus this club has become. Lets not put the boot in just yet eh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Why do I feel more confident in the appeal than I did when we first challenged the ruling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gob_Bluth Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Carbone said: Has any team ever successfully appealed a points deduction in this country? Spurs did for financial irregularity back in 94/95 - 12 points and an FA Cup ban appealed by Alan Sugar in court and it was revoked Edited August 17, 2020 by Gob_Bluth 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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