Popular Post vulva Posted August 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, The_Limit_Owl said: How is the club a circus? Bizarre statement. It’s not a bizarre statement though is it. I’m really not sure what it will take for some fans to wake up. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 This is more uncertainty for Monk and his team hanging over them If we appeal and have the hope that we are going to get the deduction reduced and it doesn't happen that's another big hammer blow Not saying DC shouldn't appeal by the way - he absolutely should But it's just more uncertainty and clouds hanging over us this new fresh season which isn't ideal 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: If we successfully appeal then that opens the floodgates for all sorts of stuff in football I’d say it would open the floodgates for a total restructure of the EFL if we win. Regardless of the rights and wrongs that would be a silver lining for football IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The_Limit_Owl said: How is the club a circus? Bizarre statement. its a well oiled efficient machine isnt it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyndon Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, McRightSide said: I don't think this shows the EFL have an agenda against us. But it does show they want to cause maximum impact with their punishments by being inconsistent, unfair and open to bias in their implementation - which isn't acceptable IMO. The sanctions as well as the timelines for charge, investigation, decision and implementation of sanctions should be 100% transparent and consistent. But they were applying different timelines for Derby. That is wednesday's statement in black and white so I would say they were out to make an example of us and therefore had an agenda with us 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TodwickOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: This is more uncertainty for Monk and his team hanging over them If we appeal and have the hope that we are going to get the deduction reduced and it doesn't happen that's another big hammer blow Not saying DC shouldn't appeal by the way - he absolutely should But it's just more uncertainty and clouds hanging over us this new fresh season which isn't ideal I would just crack on as if we're starting on -12. Anything other than that is a bonus 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyCraig Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I think the reason our case has gone on for so long and not seemed as clear cut as other cases is that the EFL did indeed try to impose a cruel and unusual punishment on our club. Then when we fought back with solid legal practice, they basically tied themselves in knots. Every club should be treat the same. I think we should be deducted 12 points for 18-19, pay back any finishing position monies owed, then go after the individual/individuals responsible at the EFL, for trying to make an example of us at great cost to the club and supporters. Then the EFL needs a complete overhaul. Unfit for purpose. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentwalker Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 So to sum up EFL said yes you can include the ground sale, they signed off on it, we signed off on it. Someone at the EFL then said, WOWOWO you just approved something from wednesday? let me have a look. Its Wednesday don't bother investigating much its bound to be dodgy, punish them. Then hit us with a 12 point deduction for this season even though another club has done similar and they want to apply the 12 points next season. We appeal Independent board find the EFL should have investigated before charging us.We did absolutely nothing wrong on our side ... legally, yet we still get a -12 point deduction. We appeal the deduction Would like to read the statement in full be if what wednesday have posted is all of it, I can't see how they can justify still giving us the 12 point deduction. It's basiclly EFL's fizz up not ours. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The_Limit_Owl said: How is the club a circus? Bizarre statement. Not so sure ,there are Elephants in reception and one or two clowns , and quite a bit of conjuring going on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The_Limit_Owl said: Wake up to what? Do you have access to boardroom discussions? Some proper sensitive flowers in our fan base! Do you think it’s going well then? The club, finances etc? You don’t need access to boardroom discussions to form an opinion on that. And quit the sensitive flower stuff. That’s a weak sign of a lost argument. Floor is yours. How do you think we shape up at the minute? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gob_Bluth said: Spurs did for financial irregularity back in 94/95 - 12 points and an FA Cup ban appealed by Alan Sugar in court and it was revoked Thanks. No recent precedent then, hmm. Not at all confident about this, and it really is a well we’ve got nothing to lose approach if we’ve already got the maximum punishment isn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyCraig Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sheff74 said: What a circus this club has become. We broke ffp as many other teams have done before. The circus is the system. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The_Limit_Owl said: No, not in the slightest but very few clubs are well oiled machines How anyone can say our club is well run and DC isnt out of his depth is beyond me 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, agentwalker said: So to sum up EFL said yes you can include the ground sale, they signed off on it, we signed off on it. Someone at the EFL then said, WOWOWO you just approved something from wednesday? let me have a look. Its Wednesday don't bother investigating much its bound to be dodgy, punish them. Then hit us with a 12 point deduction for this season even though another club has done similar and they want to apply the 12 points next season. We appeal Independent board find the EFL should have investigated before charging us.We did absolutely nothing wrong on our side ... legally, yet we still get a -12 point deduction. We appeal the deduction Would like to read the statement in full be if what wednesday have posted is all of it, I can't see how they can justify still giving us the 12 point deduction. It's basiclly EFL's fizz up not ours. only skimmed it but I think the panel meant they should have investigated the 2nd charge before charging us with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Carbone Posted August 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: How is the club a circus? Bizarre statement. Have you just woke up from a 3 year coma? 3 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Who judges the appeal? I presume its not the EFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, Inspector Lestrade said: Who judges the appeal? I presume its not the EFL. a new independent panel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: How is the club a circus? Bizarre statement. Sorry, I should have said how well run it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: That’s a bold statement from the club in a legal sense, we must be very confident, it will have been lawyer proofed to the nth degree, it’s made me more confident. The club were "confident" that we would escape any sanctions before going into the hearing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, WalthamOwl said: a new independent panel? Wasn't it an independent panel that gave us the 12 point deduction, or have I got that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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