Ante's Bubbly Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 How long has it been since we last had a strong minded, level headed captain, who would drive the team on by example when the going got tough rather than going into his shell, or was at least bothered enough to get involved? The team recently has had some abject games, half games, or periods of play where it has taken stern words and/or words of advice from Monk and the other coaches, which could equally have come from one of the players on the pitch, ie the captain. You see so many teams come to Hillsborough and bully us around, especially if they go a goal up, but very often the main thing is that they have several dominant characters that push their case like a captain should, while we seemingly have nobody. I hate to see teams swamping the ref every time that a decision goes against them, but how many decisions have been given against us this season that have been either desperately wrong, or desperately unfair, without any of our players kicking up a fuss and our captain not wanting to get involved, for whatever reason? Our players have had free kicks galore given against them, while similar fouls are either ignored or go unpunished, with our players often getting yellow, or red carded, when there is a strong argument for the decision in our favour, or at least a talking to for our player, when several of their players have had several talkings to without any sign of a card. These are just a few of the recent events that really should have been strongly objected to by our captain:- Our player gets scythed down by an opponent who slides in with both sets of studs showing, out of control and goes straight through our player making such a powerful contact that the player does not return to the field of play. If that had happened to the team we were playing and pretty much the majority of teams up and down the country, the players would be haranguing the referee to send off the offender, but not us. A team win a free kick against us (which was not even a foul) in a dangerous position, their midfielder who has a history of scoring from free kicks (and against us), steps up to take the kick, while another tall player jumps up and down in an off side position in front of our goalie to block his view when the ball is kicked, so obviously interfering with play. When they score by cheating in this way, our young goalkeeper is the only player that is trying to tell the referee why the goal should be disallowed! It should never have got that far! An opposing player is to be substituted by a team that has taken the lead against us and has played for time since that point. The player is at the far side of the pitch and is quite clearly shown by the referee that he must go off at the nearest point, which has been a new rule in place all season. The player ignores him and is booked. The referee than tells him again to get off at the nearest point and the player again ignores him walking slowly still in the original direction. The player is now showing disrespect not only to the referee, but to the rest of the players, the fans, to football and to the EFL, as we all just sit or stand there in disbelief as the referee allows him to then do whatever he wants and does not send him off. I am not saying that we are getting special treatment (although maybe teams that take the EFL to court should expect it), but when we do get bad decisions against us we just seem to lie down and accept it, without even a strong word or clarification requested by our captain. Of all the players that we have, Hutchinson, Bannan and Westwood would not even be considered as captain material normally because of their weak discipline and bad tempered, impetuous natures. We need a player that can conduct himself well and stand up for the team when required, but is also capable of accepting responsibility and driving the team on when things are going wrong, at least until the manager can get any new points across. So a couple of questions there:- Should we stand up for ourselves more? Who should our captain be? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Borner should be our captain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 A Captain won't turn this shower into a decent team. Too far gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 We desperately need some leadership, both on the pitch and the boardroom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggoisgod Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 lluongo or Iorfa for Captain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Borner should be our captain First couple of months of the season he looked like he would be an ideal choice. He has been caught out badly for pace in some recent games and doesn't look like a guaranteed starter so difficult to give a relatively new player the captaincy on that basis. Right back is a big problem as Moses has looked dodgy and is out of favour, Palmer has looked better at left-back when fit and Iorfa would prefer to play at CB. Monk needs to nail down his defensive line up before considering a change of captain, even though Lees and Bannan aren't effective in the captain role. The lack of real leadership is evident when things are going against us. Difficult to blame Lees too much for that when he has accepted the role reluctantly rather than wanting it outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 There are many new things we need. New captain - Borner gets my vote New work ethic/determination - They are soft, get bullied, dont defend themselves or team mates New central midfield - teams walk through us. New Strike force Fairly content with our strength of defence / wide player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 We are too nice. End of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Glen Loovens was a proper captain, on and off the pitch, before age sadly caught up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 All they do they is check a coin and clap their hands in the general direction of a team mate. Not much wiggle room for master tactician or an inspirational team talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzlebeak Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 We need a proper Team to be Captained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 35 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Borner should be our captain Scarily, he seems to be the only one with the right temperament, but would the other players follow him and would the refs understand him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Repperton Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Frazzlebeak said: We need a proper Team to be Captained. Beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: All they do they is check a coin and clap their hands in the general direction of a team mate. Not much wiggle room for master tactician or an inspirational team talk. Blimey, so our amazing captains of the past were just throw checkers and clappers? Sorry mate, but if you have ever played, or watched football, surely you would know the importance of having a strong leader on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CadTheOwl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 The supply of "proper captains" has definitely reduced over the past 10 years. There aren't many being churned out anymore. I look at the premier league for example, Man City/Chelsea/Man Utd/Spurs/Arsenal/Everton in my opinion have weak captains. Obviously us folk do not see player attitudes behind closed doors, but id hazard a guess I would find it difficult to pick someone over Tom Lees. You need a leader, who can be just that in all areas of the club. On the pitch, in the dressing room, in the community, at training. Sadly for me, Lees doesn't do the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ante's Bubbly said: Blimey, so our amazing captains of the past were just throw checkers and clappers? Sorry mate, but if you have ever played, or watched football, surely you would know the importance of having a strong leader on the pitch? Indeed, and not just from the Captain either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Yes. I think we could do with a few captain type players in our starting line up. Real leaders that don’t take any crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 No we just need 'proper' players who are half bothered to play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzuki_San Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, upperwinngardensowl said: We are too nice. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlinOldham Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Think we also need a style of play and an identity. Hopefully after a summer clear out we can maybe get some players in to suit a style and then play that way. Right now, we a mashup of a long ball team and a counter attacking team, except we cant actually play either very well with the players we have available. Who plays long ball with just Sam Winnall up top? Who plays Counter attacking football without pace? Some proper bang average teams have rolled us over this year and last, all because they had a game plan and players picked specifically to play it and the way they are wanted to play drilled into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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