torres Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 If we had a younger squad the value of a good captain would be more material We have a squad of supposed experienced footballers Most of the players are what they are now - not much is going to change it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Suzuki_San said: that could more be a case of bad referees, players making badly timed challenges. We need leaders on the pitch, players that take no crap, not just people that get booked for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Is it though, we give away fouls, especially in areas we dont want, so are we soft? Or are we a hard team giving away fouls? Answer, we are soft as shiite and have to bring players down to combat our crapness at tackling, ie, Reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, CadTheOwl said: The supply of "proper captains" has definitely reduced over the past 10 years. There aren't many being churned out anymore. I look at the premier league for example, Man City/Chelsea/Man Utd/Spurs/Arsenal/Everton in my opinion have weak captains. Obviously us folk do not see player attitudes behind closed doors, but id hazard a guess I would find it difficult to pick someone over Tom Lees. You need a leader, who can be just that in all areas of the club. On the pitch, in the dressing room, in the community, at training. Sadly for me, Lees doesn't do the first. Kompany was a very strong leader for City and I wouldn't describe Fernandinho as weak. Of the other clubs you mention, most have been in decline without the presence of a decent leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Farrell said: A Captain won't turn this shower into a decent team. Too far gone. Haha not saying much for Leeds then is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think people read too much into the captaincy these days. All the captain does really is decide which end we kick towards. We’ve got a lot of experienced players, and gone are the days of captains like Roy Keane, Nigel Pearson etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: that could more be a case of bad referees, players making badly timed challenges. We need leaders on the pitch, players that take no crap, not just people that get booked for the sake of it. We have been near the top of the foul table all season but much of that seems down to committing daft needless fouls when we are winning rather than being generally assertive/aggressive in the tackle. As you say it's not just about committing fouls or getting booked in daft situations, it's about imposing yourselves on the opposition, challenging the decisions of the officials and being constructively critical of team mates and geeing them up at the right time, showing some fight when needed. We have none of this at all. Hutchinson perhaps and he has been a bit better in terms of his needless bookings but his all round play has not been good enough to warrant a regular place in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, S72 Owl said: I think people read too much into the captaincy these days. All the captain does really is decide which end we kick towards. We’ve got a lot of experienced players, and gone are the days of captains like Roy Keane, Nigel Pearson etc Agreed, I do think the most vocal should have the band which the likes of Bannan and Hutch do. Blaming the cluelessness of some our performances on lack of leadership is clutching at straws. They should know their roles individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, S72 Owl said: I think people read too much into the captaincy these days. All the captain does really is decide which end we kick towards. We’ve got a lot of experienced players, and gone are the days of captains like Roy Keane, Nigel Pearson etc That's perhaps the case in teams who have confidence in abundance and lead by example with the team all pulling in the same direction. We are meek and mild and seem sorely lacking in a roll the sleeves up attitude when it is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzlebeak Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, torres said: If we had a younger squad the value of a good captain would be more material We have a squad of supposed experienced footballers Most of the players are what they are now - not much is going to change it Youre right. Monks struggling like **** to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_1 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 We don't need a captain, we need to build a new team of captains. 1 person can't drag us up. We need a group of players who would demand the best from the rest. Roy Keane wasn't the only leader at Man U, Terry wasn't the only leader at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: We have been near the top of the foul table all season but much of that seems down to committing daft needless fouls when we are winning rather than being generally assertive/aggressive in the tackle. As you say it's not just about committing fouls or getting booked in daft situations, it's about imposing yourselves on the opposition, challenging the decisions of the officials and being constructively critical of team mates and geeing them up at the right time, showing some fight when needed. We have none of this at all. Hutchinson perhaps and he has been a bit better in terms of his needless bookings but his all round play has not been good enough to warrant a regular place in the team. 100% agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think its more than just missing a captain We lack players with the right mental attitude and fortitude. Ones that will stand up when counted, run through brick walls when needed or that put their heads where it hurts In terms of the armband, for me its Borner and Hutchinson - no brainer. Tom Lees is like a fecking mouse with the armband and Bannan is too petulant and quick to shout and heckle his own team mates when they make a mistake. But we need to sign players with more work ethic and with the right mental attitude to approach games. There are times when our players simply give up when the going gets tough .. you need players to keep on fighting right till the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Ante's Bubbly said: Blimey, so our amazing captains of the past were just throw checkers and clappers? Sorry mate, but if you have ever played, or watched football, surely you would know the importance of having a strong leader on the pitch? Surely you know of hyperbole and comedic effect? For the money they receive there shouldn't be player who is not aware of his responsibilities to the club and the fans. If they need a strong captain to motivate them then they should be shown the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Nuhiu should be captain. An international regular, long serving and understands the club. Also has the stones to go out there every week with idiots shouting at him from the stands about how crap he is, and still perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Borner should be our captain Absolutely, make him team captain, and Lees can remain as club captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Absolutely, make him team captain, and Lees can remain as club captain Soon as we leave Europe he wants a bloody German in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, SwellOwl said: Agreed, I do think the most vocal should have the band which the likes of Bannan and Hutch do. Blaming the cluelessness of some our performances on lack of leadership is clutching at straws. They should know their roles individually. Exactly why you need a strong vocal captain, to remind players of what they are supposed to be doing? Pretty much the same set of players managed to beat l**ds, so when fid they become clueless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Got slated for it but lees is worse captain I can remember at Wednesday Where was he with the sending off on Saturday or when palmer was taken out Seen better leaders at gregs We need a proper leader who won't let heads drop and gets the players and fans going when things aren't going our way and tell bannan to stfu when he's having a go at someone for his f#ckup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Borner or even Iorfa the only long-term options and should be fine. Hutch and Lees will be gone in the summer so time to adjust now. Lees simply brings panic to the side anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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