Hookowl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, mark.flem said: We should stick to our guns, play hard ball & demand whatever the release clause is in his contract. If Newcastle want him they will have to pay it, the manager is the most important position at a club so £5m is a drop in the ocean to a Prem club. Not only that but the timing of it is so poor & will really throw us off track so demanding the compo we are entitled to as per his deal is the least we deserve. I don't want it dragged out, rather he go & then be replaced quickly with as little fuss as possible BUT we can't allow Newcastle to walk all over us. That's presuming there is a compo figure written into his contract. If not it may well drag on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, bigdan2003 said: Poor comments, and treating us like mugs really. “It’s happened really quickly...last two or three days”. Yeah of course it has. Oxley: “can you understand the fans frustration” Bruce “that’s football” We know that “that’s football”, Steve. We know it’s full of greedy two hats with no loyalty. But a decent explanation and some honesty wouldn’t go a miss. Think we deserve that at the very least. If I could plus this another ten times I would. The line is such a cop out for poor behaviour or when someone gets shafted. Having said that, unless we get someone out of work we will be doing the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.flem Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hookowl said: That's presuming there is a compo figure written into his contract. If not it may well drag on. True. Then we still play hard ball for what we believe is a fair amount to be compensated. £5m for the entire management & coaching team is not unreasonable considering the timing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.flem Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 As far as fans reaction goes, we let ourselves down at times. There is no need to personally attack the bloke. He was the messiah a month ago! Sure we are disppointed that he doesn't appear to be showing any loyalty BUT we should see how it plays out & try and hold onto a bit of class. These things happen in Football. Its a job to him, and he is being offered his dream job. Personal attacks do nobody any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: Loyalty to who ? He has no affinity with our club its a job He's been here 2 minutes Well like many my real issue is the fact DC was incredibly generous in allowing him to defer his start date. So I was brought up if someone treats you like that you reciprocate, not really a definition of loyalty i know let's call it good manners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: They offered the job to Allardyce in the past week so it did come up in the last few days I think it’s naive to think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, helmut_rooster said: Correct I will wait u.til leaves, then reference Dinner ladies, mrs doubtfire et all Fair enough probably not going to win this argument. Let's be honest a white middle aged bloke is the last available option left to slag off without the PC brigade jumping in. Just think it is a lazy jibe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, WatfordOwl said: I didn't really hear a manager that is desperate to get out of the door in the interview. He's done what he should and listened to what's on offer, and perhaps it is in the hands of the clubs or perhaps he is maybe having a bit of a doubt about the role as well. If he stays, it'd be a massive boost for all attached with the club, and could be the extra shot in the arm needed to get us up this season. We've got some good pro's at the club that don't simply down tools when the manager goes, he's replaceable. Might not be the option we want, but the negative reaction to him going tells me that our fans value him and would be gutted if he went. That's what SB should be looking at here. Steve Bruce wants to leave - make no mistake about that! I want him gone for sure now. I’m happy DC playing hardball for a few days with Ashley and making Bruce feel uncomfortable, however I would want around £4m for him and bring in Hughton who in my opinion is a better all round manager. This would be a great outcome for SWFC and these funds would allow us to bring in Michael Hector who is our number one target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, acquiescefc said: So if they dont pay up we're happy if he stays. not me. #JustGoNow Even if he is still the best man to get us into the promotion places? It’s a little like cutting your nose off the spite you’re face isn’t it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Look, it has happened so quickly that I have got to take stock of the situation." Tell thee what will happen quickly Steve, a reyt soggy brown cabbage hurtling through tha car window on the A1. Edited July 13, 2019 by Bulgaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said: He's a flipping idiot if he didn't know that already. Benitez was pleading for years for loose change from the owner that rarely ever came. Love of a club often distorts the truth you only have to look at posts on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Don't get the luv in for bruce by some, he's been here 10 mins and done fa yet. He ain't the tw@tting messiah. It could still fall through, hope very much hope ..it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twolaptops Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Uncle Mort AMB said: The manager is under contract with another football club It is this situation which can cause the most conflict as is often a scenario which comes into play when a club wishes to appoint a highly sought after manager. The small group of real high profile managers will in most instances be employed with a club, so if another club wishes to gain their services they will have to pay the price. Do clubs have to pay a transfer fee for a manager for a manager who moves clubs in this manner? If a football player under contract were to move in this manner the clubs would pay a transfer fee – the terms of which will be agreed upon by the two clubs. For a manager to move there is no specific transfer fee but the clubs do have to come to an arrangement. What kind of arrangement? The club who gains the services of the manager will be required to pay a fee to compensate the club who is losing the manager. The amount of compensation is a matter which will be agreed between the two clubs. What is this compensation for? When the manager leaves the club to which he was originally contracted he will be deemed to have terminated his contract early (a breach of the contract) meaning that the club will need to be compensated for this loss. What happens if the clubs cannot agree an adequate amount of compensation? If the manager moves between clubs and the clubs cannot agree on an adequate amount of compensation then due to the early termination of the contract the original club will be able to bring the following claims: Breach of contract – by the manager Inducement to breach the contract – by the club obtaining his services It is likely that both these claims are to be heard by a disciplinary tribunal which will decide on the adequate amount of compensation to be paid. The disciplinary tribunal = Shearer/Lineker/Gazza/Ant & Dec 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: Loyalty to who ? He has no affinity with our club its a job He's been here 2 minutes Loyalty to the contract he signed (willingly rather than with a gun to his head)? ive absolutely no problem with him wanting to go to Newcastle. There’s already compromise been made. DC has allowed him to speak to Newcastle. But there is no further compromise to be had. Either Fat Mike meets what he is contractually required to pay, or SB doesn’t go. And if DC is sticking to the figure, who can blame him. SB has just extended the playing contracts of Westwood, Palmer with Lee imminent, and signed Borner, Harris, Odebajo .... fair enough if you accept it’s happened in the last few days ... but we now have these players on our books and who is to say SB’s replacement will ‘fancy’ them. So get full compensation as it may well be required to offset players sidelined by SB’s impending departure. Spoke to DC today. He looked fed up. He just said ‘Newcastle won’t pay’. Poor bloke. Onto the issue of the whether a sudden interest in SB with some saying the Allardyce offer (which NUFC deny) shows it was sudden, well having reflected I think that’s all horse crap. Allardyce and Bruce are no doubt mates and Allardyce has done some of SB’s dirty work for him. Lastly, I wonder if Alex Bruce will be taking to social media to defend his father as he vigorously did when responding to Murphy and Gullet questioning whether he would have requested a delayed start to employment if it had been Man Utd. I won’t hold my breath. In my opinion after that interview today I’ve changed my opinion on him. The interview was is professional, it’s disrespectful to the club, the chairman and the fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple O Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, wilyfox said: Compensation is important, and I admire DC's determination, but Bruce is right in that compromise is the way forward. We need committed management & staff. He's clearly not, and I don't think he's been here long enough for him to have personal attachment. There was a way back if he broke the silence in a certain way, but his remarks show no regard for Wednesday. Things have soured, and will deteriorate further if he remains. DC could give Ashley a 10% early bird discount then at the last minute tell him it only applies if he is a season ticket owner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Spookone said: Even if he is still the best man to get us into the promotion places? It’s a little like cutting your nose off the spite you’re face isn’t it? Some like me, don't buy into the win at all cost route. Bruce is toast at Hillsborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acquiescefc Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Spookone said: Even if he is still the best man to get us into the promotion places? It’s a little like cutting your nose off the spite you’re face isn’t it? No because I'm fine with my nose, its done nothing to upset my face and that's why i won't cut it off. Its called commitment, SB is showing none after being in a job for 3 months so if NUFC don't pay up then he will wait for the next Prem payday. If you don't expect this after this debacle then you're misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Well I think there’s a very high possibility Bruce will walk if a compensation figure can’t be agreed. But we’ll see. He won’t get another chance at a job like this and I’m sure he knows that Them would we not sue him for breach of contract, that could cost him a pretty penny in lawyers fees etc. And would the FA stop him working at another club until sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basegreenowl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Could be worse. We could be Newcastle fans. Big takeover muted. Promises of a big named manager after a very capable top drawer manager is ousted. Then arrives the appointment of a Championship specialist who will be on a shoestring budget. That's obvious. If the takeover was going to happen, and Ashley was going, any top line manager would say yes to there. Ashley won't spend much and a struggle looks very likely. And Bruce will be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) My post above meant to say ‘interview was not professional’ ... it was all me, me, me Edited July 13, 2019 by Hirstys Salopettes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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