mogbad Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 59 minutes ago, Triple O said: Dom Howson @domhowson 7m7 minutes ago More 2/2 SB: "It's in the hands of both clubs and we will see what develops over the next 24 to 48 hours. "It's football and it has come from nowhere really in the last two to three days so we will see what the weekend brings." #SWFC 14 replies8 retweets16 likes Reply 14 Retweet 8 Like 16 Direct message Dom Howson @domhowson 8m8 minutes ago More 1/2 SB has confirmed he has had a conversation with Newcastle this week. When asked would he like to be the next Newcastle manager, he replied: "Look, it has happened so quickly that I have got to take stock of the situation." #SWFC 4 replies9 retweets21 likes Reply 4 Retweet 9 Like 21 Direct message Dom Howson @domhowson 9m9 minutes ago More Steve Bruce has spoken to the media. This is what he had to say on Newcastle: "Speculation is speculation. It's in the hands of the clubs. For me, at this particular moment, there is nothing really to talk about until the two clubs reach some sort of compromise." #SWFC If there is a specific compensation amount specified in the contract you & your agent signed Brucie then there's no compromise to be made. It's pay up or shut up for Ashley & you Brucie should respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl1987 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) Feeling pretty disappointed about this situation. Finally get a decent manager after watching old jos the dross. Bruce gets us up and running. We give him the time he needs away from football and rightly so. He is with us a matter of months before wanting away from the club that gave him a job after his sacking from villa. Really liked this guy and always have. We all have our dream job and I get the connection for him and I dont blame him from having a tricky decision to wrestle over in his mind. But to want away a matter of months into building something with us for me is disappointing. Pretty poor behaviour for me. I wish him well but think he is making a massive mistake with this one. As much I like him however even if it doesn't come off, I dont really want him at the helm of my club waiting for his next better offer and payday. I would be pretty pissed if I had renewed my ST ( I cant this year as it happens). I would be pretty pissed if I had just signed for the club. I would be furious if were the chairman who has been poo on. UtO Edited July 13, 2019 by Owl1987 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Lawrie Madden said: No we didn't don't rewrite history we approached him to become our Manager and he informed us he wasn't available until Feb and DC chose to wait DC could equally have said ok no probs we''l go elsewhere It means the same thing. We showed how much we wanted him and allowed him to relax until February, taking on his backroom staff in the meantime. Yes we could have chosen to look elsewhere but DC showed patience and Bruce showed he wanted the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Just now, rickygoo said: I work in a profession in which people sign short term contracts. If I sign a contract and a better job comes up I kick myself and do the job I’m contracted to do. Simple as. Well as has been pointed out about my post Football isn't like the real world is it and if you had a get out clause vi compensation and a better job came up that was more to your taste would you not trigger your get out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, rickygoo said: I work in a profession in which people sign short term contracts. If I sign a contract and a better job comes up I kick myself and do the job I’m contracted to do. Simple as. That's not how football works and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: It means the same thing. We showed how much we wanted him and allowed him to relax until February, taking on his backroom staff in the meantime. Yes we could have chosen to look elsewhere but DC showed patience and Bruce showed he wanted the job. It does not mean the same thing at all DC didn't allow Bruce anything DC chose to wait for his man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: That's not how football works and you know it. Well that’s how it should work. fizz Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: Well as has been pointed out about my post Football isn't like the real world is it and if you had a get out clause vi compensation and a better job came up that was more to your taste would you not trigger your get out Actually I wouldn’t no. I do have a months notice in contracts but I value loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Contracts are two-way agreements. Bruce will have been paid handsomely after his sacking at Villa, and for sure his reps will have made sure that he got what it said in the contract not been haggled down to less. So why should we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: Actually I wouldn’t no. I do have a months notice in contracts but I value loyalty. Triple the money and your new putative employer is willing to buy out your contract if you take up the job now and only now You still being loyal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigash_swfc Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Its in the hands of clubs. Totally deflects the real answer "I've asked to leave" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samowl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, JackSWFC said: And how should he feel about his potential employer, who, if he doesn’t pay up the compo, clearly was just after a cheap option and didn’t actually want Bruce that much anyway? And might only be his employer for a couple of weeks given he's supposed to want to sell Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, marble said: Hope he realises that it just needs 1 club to pay up & not 2 to compromise. Well said. What an arrogant Geordie thrower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: All depends on what is in the contracts really. If Bruce and his staff signed contracts that value them at up to £5M then that is what they felt they were worth to us and shouldn't now complain at us wanting to get that fee. Anything over and above then Bruce will feel perturbed. Yes that’s the key. What does it say in his contract? I can’t see there being a specified amount. If there is, what are they negotiating about? If Bruce feels DC is being unreasonable, I can see him walking. The question is, what happens then in terms of compo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, SiJ said: . I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, domSWFC said: What is the grounds for your claim Can I sue another firm of accountants or recruitment agency if one of my staff leaves and I have no one to do accounts for 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: Triple the money and your new putative employer is willing to buy out your contract if you take up the job now and only now You still being loyal ? The new employer is willing to buy out his contract? Might want to let Chansiri know that, because last time I checked Mike Ashley was offering vouchers from Sports Direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: I've moved jobs and still liked the place and people i was leaving behind Their still celebrating I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mort AMB Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Yes that’s the key. What does it say in his contract? I can’t see there being a specified amount. If there is, what are they negotiating about? If Bruce feels DC is being unreasonable, I can see him walking. The question is, what happens then in terms of compo? The manager is under contract with another football club It is this situation which can cause the most conflict as is often a scenario which comes into play when a club wishes to appoint a highly sought after manager. The small group of real high profile managers will in most instances be employed with a club, so if another club wishes to gain their services they will have to pay the price. Do clubs have to pay a transfer fee for a manager for a manager who moves clubs in this manner? If a football player under contract were to move in this manner the clubs would pay a transfer fee – the terms of which will be agreed upon by the two clubs. For a manager to move there is no specific transfer fee but the clubs do have to come to an arrangement. What kind of arrangement? The club who gains the services of the manager will be required to pay a fee to compensate the club who is losing the manager. The amount of compensation is a matter which will be agreed between the two clubs. What is this compensation for? When the manager leaves the club to which he was originally contracted he will be deemed to have terminated his contract early (a breach of the contract) meaning that the club will need to be compensated for this loss. What happens if the clubs cannot agree an adequate amount of compensation? If the manager moves between clubs and the clubs cannot agree on an adequate amount of compensation then due to the early termination of the contract the original club will be able to bring the following claims: Breach of contract – by the manager Inducement to breach the contract – by the club obtaining his services It is likely that both these claims are to be heard by a disciplinary tribunal which will decide on the adequate amount of compensation to be paid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: It does not mean the same thing at all DC didn't allow Bruce anything DC chose to wait for his man But Bruce clearly wanted the job otherwise there was no point in waiting. He agreed to his trip to the Bahamas while at the same time appointing Bruce's backroom staff. It was a mutual agreement and one which Bruce was clearly thankful for at the time. He got the job he wanted at the time and the time off he needed before starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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