DJMortimer Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: "The culture from which he came from?".. I bet you if you had 27'000 Thais in a stadium watching dire football and paying through the nose for it you would get pretty much the same reaction as you are getting here...with all the unnecessary abuse that comes with it. Its not culture...Its human nature DJ I'm not going to claim to understand oritental cultures better than anyone else on here but I thought it was well accepted they had a rather different value system when it comes to deference. For example, see here... http://internationalcrimeauthors.com/the-deference-culture-by-christopher-g-moore-2/ For example, I recall an airline crash in which a Korean co-pilot did not speak up to point out the captain's mistake he was watching unfold even though it resulted in the plane crash-landing, resulting in a number of deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: It seems a lot of people seem to think being a fan entitles you to essentially behave however you like with no repercussions and that even the tiniest hint of any criticisms in return Even big business leaders realise, the customer is always right, if they happen to be loyal supporters of the business they are even more right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, DJMortimer said: I'm not going to claim to understand oritental cultures better than anyone else on here but I thought it was well accepted they had a rather different value system when it comes to deference. For example, see here... http://internationalcrimeauthors.com/the-deference-culture-by-christopher-g-moore-2/ For example, I recall an airline crash in which a Korean co-pilot did not speak up to point out the captain's mistake he was watching unfold even though it resulted in the plane crash-landing, resulting in a number of deaths. Yea well ..thats f.ookin' reassuring mate....How about this... Maybe not all airline pilots eh? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sonny said: How can I disagree with your feelings? You’re the one going on about the dark times ahead. Thought I’d ask but sounds like you’d rather people just ignore your posts. I do apologise. I thought your response implied you disagreed with my thoughts. Normally if I didn't care for a post I wouldn't respond to it. But there you go. You could maybe tell me why you think asset stripping isn't a bad thing? Edited December 24, 2017 by SallyCinnamon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 minute ago, sherlyegg said: Even big business leaders realise, the customer is always right, if they happen to be loyal supporters of the business they are even more right. Fine, and I think we can all appreciate the general principle, but some supporters monstrously abuse the privilege like spoilt brats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 of course there's a cultural issue here. The statement, which i've just seen an extract on SSN, is written like he just got hold of the main club computer last night and had a rant - no or little editing or sleeping on it. He can do this, like he can do everything he's done so far - good and bad. He's the only game in town and we have to go with him on this or stay away. This may end up as an uneasy truce for some weeks until we see what his next plans are, in particularly what his vision for 2018/19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, DJMortimer said: Fine, and I think we can all appreciate the general principle, but some supporters monstrously abuse the privilege like spoilt brats. Why? the product was poor and some chose to say so. Vile abuse should not be tolerated no question. But the real real nasties were a small minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 minute ago, DJMortimer said: Fine, and I think we can all appreciate the general principle, but some supporters monstrously abuse the privilege like spoilt brats. Yea...all over the WORLD of football..Its not a bloody Wednesday centric thing is it?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, asteener1867 said: Yea...all over the WORLD of football..Its not a bloody Wednesday centric thing is it?... Did I suggest it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: Yea well ..thats f.ookin' reassuring mate....How about this... Maybe not all airline pilots eh? Not one single thong in sight........ #disappointment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 minute ago, sherlyegg said: Why? the product was poor and some chose to say so. I think we're all pretty much unanimous about that. If anything, Carvlhal's departure was long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 What the hell do Korean air pilots have to do with our Thai ownership? Nothing. This "culture of deference" is complete nonsense, a denigration fostered by Western ignorance rooted in arrogance. See Said's "Orientalism" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: I do apologise. I thought your response implied you disagreed with my thoughts. Normally if I didn't care for a post I wouldn't respond to it. But there you go. You could maybe tell me why you think asset stripping isn't a bad thing? Asset stripping would be a very very bad thing. I don’t see any evidence of that being on the cards though. It’s totally fine for you to just think up the all worst stuff that could happen if that’s what you want to do but without any kind of words or actions from DC to say it will then I can’t see a great deal to debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: Did I suggest it was? Yep..You said "The culture from which he came from would lead him to expect ..... etc etc etc" Not really true is it? Yer Korean Pilot thingy is much the same as some stiff upper lipped regimental English cavalry officer charging the guns at Balaclava isn't it?...He knows its f.ookin' stupid...but we ALL have 'am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said: This "culture of deference" is complete nonsense, a denigration fostered by Western ignorance rooted in arrogance. See Said's "Orientalism" . Even the most cursory search on Google gives plenty of evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said: And I absolutely resent the assertion that fans are to blame for any of this. This club's support is not commensurate with the product being presented to us. And we didn't make a cockup of the 150th anniversary. ^^^^ This. Mr Chansiri needs to fully accept that the problems at the club are largely down to his own mistakes and lack of experience. He has surrounded himself with advisors who in my opinion are questionable instead of surrounding himself with genuine football people who really could help him make the best decisions not just for the club but also for his own investment. As for the fans, we all know just how fickle fans are and we are certainly no exception, however the fans have responded to the highest prices in the division by buying season tickets in record numbers in an area that is far from being wealthy when compared to the rest of the country. Turning on the fans always ends badly for all parties concerned, club, owners and fans so please Mr Chansiri think very, very carefully about anything you might do that will alienate the clubs' biggest asset and income source. You are able to walk away from this experience at any time of your choosing, but for us Wednesday is a lifelong passion and addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: This. Little or no abuse on here, but lots of heavy criticism. Nothing wrong with that and fully understandable. Don’t agree with you there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 8 hours ago, @owlstalk said: We have heard this very same statement before and it ended up in high court and all over every newspaper in the land, and is now being taught in law schools all over the world. I thought we had travelled back in time when i read that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc1349 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 He's been in football for 3 years but still doesn't understand how fickle it is. Fans will love you when we're doing well but not when we're bobbar. Criticising some fans is just wrong, I wouldn't even acknowledge them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkmus Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, @owlstalk said: That's the first thing I thought to be honest Looks like things about to go downnnnnnn (and I'm not talking about relegation) Vastly different Chairman same fans draw your own conclusions. I'm starting to think there are a good number of cretins at our club :-( It's looking like an impossible job. Happy Christmas BTW Edited December 24, 2017 by Malkmus Added a Christmas Message :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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