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2 hours ago, Minton said:

He will go nowhere until the end of the season then as we will be due some sizeable compensation from the club that do sign him. There is a reason why clubs avoid tribunals at all costs...

If it goes to a tribunal would we be able to insert a sell on clause though?

 

In selling a youngster with real promise like Hirst, that's where the real money is.

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20 minutes ago, stanningtonowl said:

So let him out on loan to help him develop.

Why would we help him to develop if his intention is to bugger off at the end of the year...hence the club stance, sign a new contract and then we'll help you develop

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8 minutes ago, Ian said:

Why would we help him to develop if his intention is to bugger off at the end of the year...hence the club stance, sign a new contract and then we'll help you develop

It sounds harsh but I suppose you can see the justification. Different from freezing McGugan or FF out who could do something to help the first team squad for example. Depends whether the treatment of him will harm our recruitment and/or retention of young talent. How do other clubs deal with it? 

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His father made the wrong call around 25 years ago and I imagine the family have that in mind. If a big club really want him they will have him. And indeed if he were to turn out  be as strong as some predict then clearly he will move on at some point.

 

If he does go it is stating the obvious but the prime issue is our share of the next transfer fee

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35 minutes ago, Ian said:

Why would we help him to develop if his intention is to bugger off at the end of the year...hence the club stance, sign a new contract and then we'll help you develop

He buggers off anyway if that's the case. Don't know if this is the clubs fault, George's or his Dad's?  Bit of form though. Didn't Lavery go the same way?

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6 minutes ago, Eastleigh Owl said:

Surely letting him go out on loan would increase the composition due if/when he improves or doesn't it work like that.

 

It does as career appearances and goals prove value. Wednesday will need to set an asking price and demonstrate how that is reached against comparable cases. If a settlement isn't reached should he leave then tribunal will probably settle somewhere in the middle.

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1 minute ago, Bluesteel said:

 

It does as career appearances and goals prove value. Wednesday will need to set an asking price and demonstrate how that is reached against comparable cases. If a settlement isn't reached should he leave then tribunal will probably settle somewhere in the middle.

So, if we can't agree terms with him, which now looks likely that we won't we may as well send him out on loan if we can't get a reasonable price for him or we'd be cutting our nose off so to speak.

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2 hours ago, SiJ said:

What can the club realistically do? 

 

If there are Premier League offers on the table then we have little to no chance of keeping him. 

 

As we've seen with our neighbors in recent times, if you have a half decent prospect they'll likely be picked up before barely making a first team appearance. 

 

It's incredibly frustrating, but then everything is so skewed in favor of Premier League clubs, allowing them to stock pile the best talent (even if they have little intention of having them actually break through). 

 

He has been linked with Leicester a lot, hasn't he? Well, I remember them signing that young kid from Birmingham a few years back (who was a regular of sorts for them), Demari Gray. Think he barely ever starts for them and has recently been linked with a move to Bournemouth. 

 

 

 

Demari Gray does feature quite a bit to be fair, and is pretty good when he does. Will probably be called up to the England squad within a couple of years I think. Probably says more about the current crop of English players than his ability however.

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9 minutes ago, Eastleigh Owl said:

So, if we can't agree terms with him, which now looks likely that we won't we may as well send him out on loan if we can't get a reasonable price for him or we'd be cutting our nose off so to speak.

 

Thats my understanding yes, as long as we have offered him an improved deal.

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1 hour ago, thewookieisdown said:

His father made the wrong call around 25 years ago and I imagine the family have that in mind. If a big club really want him they will have him. And indeed if he were to turn out  be as strong as some predict then clearly he will move on at some point.

 

If he does go it is stating the obvious but the prime issue is our share of the next transfer fee

Massive difference in the scenarios. David was an experienced player coming of the back of a few hugely successful seasons and making his international debut who was subject of a British record bid from the biggest club in the country and he would have been playing for the first team. George is a young lad who has next to no first team experience who is coming off fantastic achievements for club and country at youth level who is subject of bids where he will swap one youth set up for another 

the truth is this has nothing to do with hirst sr not going to man u and regretting it it's about the young lads future which may be better served signing here and going out on loan rather than getting lost in a premier league teams academy 

at the end of the day his name may be a hindrance but is also a huge plus at Wednesday it wouldn't be elsewhere 

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The love in with Hirst on here is crazy.

 

I trust CC and his boys if they don't think Hirst is ready, and he has a hell of a lot of competition (Rhodes with the best goals to games ratio in the league can't even start for us).

 

My money is he'll be touted as a hot prospect and then disappear into the abyss of the lower leagues within the next five years. 

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