rikowl Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Southampton are code for 'this which have happened once' in conversations like this. They're concrete proof that all clubs should be promoted in their first season in the Championship, that League One players can all end up playing for England and that sacking your manager makes you better. There's a reason Southampton are mentioned quite so often in these regards, which is because it doesn't happen very often. Like Fergie being the example for holding on to a manager - Man Utd nearly sacked Ferguson once, look what happened there etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shezza Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Bob Bradley - former American national team coach. Would be a brilliant appointment, and is available. Having said that, I think we should stick to Stuart Gray for now. He's deserved to be given a chance to deliver with proper resources available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Southampton have a system in place where they are constantly looking at replacement managers, right now they have a shortlist of who could potentially replace Koeman. How do you know this exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oz_owl Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 We were one fantastic goalkeeper away from a relegation scrap. So Gray identified an area he could improve the team, improved it, saw it provide instant rewards....and you're trying to turn that into a negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatpusher Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 How do you know this exactly? Was in an article in the telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11366206/Gary-Neville-The-era-of-the-gaffer-is-over.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 So Gray identified an area he could improve the team, improved it, saw it provide instant rewards....and you're trying to turn that into a negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Southampton have a system in place where they are constantly looking at replacement managers, right now they have a shortlist of who could potentially replace Koeman. Yes. Do you know the management recruitment strategy of all other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Yes. Do you know the management recruitment strategy of all other clubs? that article is fascinating and one that we should replicate here. No one is bigger than any football club and it should be a fluid and controlled system with contingency plans for all areas, inc management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 that article is fascinating and one that we should replicate here. No one is bigger than any football club and it should be a fluid and controlled system with contingency plans for all areas, inc management Nobody is saying that, neither are they saying that Southampton haven't done well. Other teams have also done well for short periods. For example, Swansea have done well with a completely different approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Nobody is saying that, neither are they saying that Southampton haven't done well. Other teams have also done well for short periods. For example, Swansea have done well with a completely different approach. is it that much different at Swansea? I dont know tbh All i do know is the SWFC model hasnt worked for 20+ years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 is it that much different at Swansea? I dont know tbh All i do know is the SWFC model hasnt worked for 20+ years now I don't think we have a model. I doubt Swansea have one either. Southampton's model is massively propped up by their academy as well, which certainly predates their approach to management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denise Kenyon Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 i wouldn't be surprised with anything Mr Chansiri did to be honest I was told by a player that a few weeks ago SG brought Nuhiu on for last 15mins in a game,Chansiri rang SG after asking why he had put him on also told SG was furious about the new backroom staff because he new nothing about it until they arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 i wouldn't be surprised with anything Mr Chansiri did to be honest I was told by a player that a few weeks ago SG brought Nuhiu on for last 15mins in a game,Chansiri rang SG after asking why he had put him on also told SG was furious about the new backroom staff because he new nothing about it until they arrived What a load of absolute guff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidioso Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 How many threads on the demise of Stuart Gray do we have to endure? Change the record somebody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 as I see it SG has done a steady job and kept us bubbling well above the trapdoor but in the real world that's all it is and the home form has been abysmal ,to be honest some of the time it was so boring that I feel that it got to the stage where Gray was scared so much of losing that he wouldn't be more adventurous at home,mebe it's just me but it was getting a bit Irvinesque ,Stu seemed to have run out of ideas so played the safety game and often gave the opposition the front foot in games which gave any advantage to them , maybe I'm wrong but from my point of view that isn't the way to move to where mr Chansiri wants us to be , personally I think Gray has reached his pinnacle and would struggle to take us any further the nice man image is great but will only get you so far ,iv'e always said it That a manager needs a ruthless streak and so far I haven't seen it in grey ,as an example Laws was a nice man but could only take us so far and he did miracles with what he had , but saying all that I would love Stu to get the chance but on past showings I think it may be a step to far for him , better players come with there own mindset and ideas , would Stu be strong enough to handle it I don't know tbh, Anyway that's my two pence worth like it or not as the case may be , Another praise for Stu followed by a but? Sorry Trevi, but that hand has been played by too many and much better. Why do you think the home form has been so abysmal? Because Stuart Gray is too scared to attack and short of ideas with his boring and Irvinesque style of football? Or because our team is so devoid of goal scorers that Lee managed to get close to being our top marksman! Did I imagine it or didn't we miss an absolute shed load of goals at home? Did we actually run out of ideas or did we just keep missing the back of the net? If you do not think Gray is good enough just say so, we can all take it I'm sure. There is no need for the no offence, but... followed by a few lines of character assassination. So the goal scoring chances that were being missed wholesale at the start of the season were down to a lack of attacking nous from our leader, who you appear to like later in your post and would love to see him given a try. As for the past showings, which ones? The ones where the players were not good enough to finish the moves or the ones where he realised that we were never going to win points trying to out punch teams that had much more clinical finishers than us? Surely somebody who genuinely liked Stuart Gray, would say that he could not always play the type of football that he would have liked, because a lot of our players were not up to it. Especially the ones that you rely on to score. Getting back to the OP, isn't the fact that Stuart adapted his tactics to suit our squad's strengths/weaknesses give a better argument for Gray to be manager next season and not just head coach? He realised that one style didn't get points and the other did. How many of the games would we have won at home if the badly missed chances had been scored? We could have played more exciting football and lost with the players we had available, but to be honest with you my levels of excitement tend to drop far quicker when we are getting hammered. Why would you want Stu to have the chance to spend money on players and be in control of the team and it's tactics if you think that he is only capable of playing boring football and may not be able to handle the better players and their opinions? I wouldn't, but then again I think Gray gets into players heads and wins their confidence. I also believe he plays football to the available players strengths and brings the best out in them. I have not seen Gray as a short term stand in since he took a set of 1st division players, premiership loan players, and a few half decent championship players and got them to play like a decent championship football team last season. If we had got a decent winger or two this season and the loan of Wickham and Fryatt again, I cannot imagine why we wouldn't have finished in the top six, with or without the mindsets and ideas of these two better players. So why would it be so hard to believe that the exciting attacking football we played against l**ds in that 6-0 drubbing could not be more common place with the promised new players? I don't like Stuart Gray, he showed a ruthless and nasty streak getting rid of Mattock and Buxton, but I think he would make a great football manager or head coach and could lead us to a higher level of success and a better quality of football with the backing that DC has promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 i wouldn't be surprised with anything Mr Chansiri did to be honest I was told by a player that a few weeks ago SG brought Nuhiu on for last 15mins in a game,Chansiri rang SG after asking why he had put him on also told SG was furious about the new backroom staff because he new nothing about it until they arrived 4 posts in and knows the inside dealings of the club this is the kind of poster we've been waiting for Could you please tell us who the next manager will be. what the playing budget for the coming season will be which players we will be signing. thanks in advance. Mods please close all other threads all answers will be in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Perhaps we will get this fabled director of football from abroad with Gray maintaining his head coach role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 i wouldn't be surprised with anything Mr Chansiri did to be honest I was told by a player that a few weeks ago SG brought Nuhiu on for last 15mins in a game,Chansiri rang SG after asking why he had put him on also told SG was furious about the new backroom staff because he new nothing about it until they arrived Was it the Watford game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) all that to say you don't agree with my post Ante , that's your choice and my opinion differs I don't think he has it in him to take us any further does that suit your logic Edited May 20, 2015 by trevdi9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Fooook me, another ITK merchant who knows players. No wonder we don't win anything, all the players must be out socialising at all hours of the day to be able to talk to them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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