"Moore wants Wednesday to be more tactically flexible next season."

[Holmowl]

It sounds great but the reality could be very different.

 

If you make it your policy to focus on having the best 352 possible on your budget you invest in specialist CBs, specialist WBs and specialist strikers.

 

If you want flexibility you also need specialist FBs and specialist wingers and/or specialist wide-forwards.

 

I’d stick with the proven 352 and shape our squad accordingly. Find and acquire a top-notch CF to play with Gregory. Acquire two top notch CBs to play with Heneghan. 
 

 

 

 

[Guest Musttryharder]

8 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

We're reportedly interested in Smith and other target-man style forwards, but there's nothing to suggest a signing is imminent.

 

Wilks seems likely based on reports, but nothing confirmed yet.

 

Not heard anything re: Luongo.

I would love Luongo to re sign. If he doesnt it doesnt bode well for Bannan going forward where he was the most effective. Definately need someone with Gregory

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Why complicate the game 

It's league one 

Forest Green not PSG FFS...

[Lawrie’s Left Peg]

18 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

I don't think Gregory really looked comfortable as a lone forward, though - did you? We probably needed a target-man style centre forward to make a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 work.

 

4-4-2 would have maintained the front two which got Gregory firing, but then we'd have been back to the age-old issue of Bannan not excelling in a central pairing, as well as having to work out who to play in the wide positions: Corbeanu took a while to recover from a nasty illness at the start of the season and largely flattered to deceive; Shodipo was injured for much of the season and never really got going when he did have a spell of fitness in the autumn; Brown looked promising for a few games and then faded badly...

 

I suppose we could have gone with Palmer at left-back, Hunt at right-back, Johnson on the left wing, and made do with whoever was fit enough on the right wing until we signed Mendez-Laing in late November, but I can understand why he didn't think this was going to work as well as 3-5-2 once he saw how the players were performing.

Interested in your perception of lone forward in the systems you describe. Also why the lone forward should be a target man.
Best example of 4-2-3-1 in recent times is Pochettino’s Spurs with Kane, Song, Erikson and Dele. Hardly class Kane as a target man. Dele and Song played in very advanced positions. 
Klopps Liverpool best example of 4-3-3. Never plays with a traditional target man and has Mane and Salah as inside forwards. 

[Quickly Kevin]

8 hours ago, Owls2k said:

If you fail in your clear and obtainable objective you should expect some criticism, and expect a closer eye on you if you get another chance. 

 

What might also help us dropping crucial points is our manager, who was a very good defender in his day, teaching his side how to defend properly. Those 2 goals we conceded in the play offs were an embarrassment, and let's not forget Jack Clarke running the full length of Penistone Road with the ball earlier too when he should have tackled into the Don. 

 

Clear and obtainable objective? The first time I've seen someone take a line from a work review document to a post on here and its so so cringey 

 

Last pre season started with the possibility of going down again likely. We ended up with 85 points and an agonising play off defeat. Hardly a dreadful season and our form from Jan was brillant

 

 

What the actual f*ck could Moore do about Hutchs brain freeze? Wise up. And their second goal was individual sloppy play and hardly Moores fault.

 

The fact is he has come out to address a weakness yet all some do is snipe. If he didnt address it they would snipe.

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Quickly Kevin

[royalowlisback]

11 hours ago, Musttryharder said:

Hang about. Did he ever or very seldom play any of those players in their favoured positions. NO he didnt. Again how many times was it said on here, square pegs in round holes. Anyone of those players you have mentioned were capable matchwinners if they had been used better by Moore. Yes Moore is nice guy but not very tactically aware and doesnt have a contingency plan. Corbeanu for starters must have thought, wheres he going to play me next. Wolves saw through it thats why they pulled him  from Wednesday. A tad embarrashing at the time.

Which is exactly what I just said?

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

3 hours ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:

Interested in your perception of lone forward in the systems you describe. Also why the lone forward should be a target man.
Best example of 4-2-3-1 in recent times is Pochettino’s Spurs with Kane, Song, Erikson and Dele. Hardly class Kane as a target man. Dele and Song played in very advanced positions. 
Klopps Liverpool best example of 4-3-3. Never plays with a traditional target man and has Mane and Salah as inside forwards. 

 

Kane is like a target-man plus, isn't he? He does it all - hold up play, aerial threat, link up play...

 

There are other ways to play it of course, but Gregory didn't seem to suit the lone striker role, and Moore seems to be targeting a target man style forward.

[akbuk]

On 16/06/2022 at 13:17, Jack the Hat said:

Moore wants Wednesday to be more tactically flexible next season. He must have been really frustrated the way the team kept playing last season. If only he could have influenced the tactics in some way when Plan A wasn't working.

He did on many occasions 

[slinger208b]

On 16/06/2022 at 11:45, OneManBand said:

Err, yeah Darren, that's your job.

 

"We need to know what's going on, nobody tells us anything"

 

"Why are you telling us that?"

Can't win...

[striker]

More flexibility you say, the boys are in for a shock on Monday when they see what Darren has in mind 

 

[4evaowl]

Not disagreeing that being tactically flexible is needed, but often managers change their formations reactively based on the opposition, rather than playing a system that suits our players and gives oppositions problems to think about.

[HootHoot]

21 hours ago, Musttryharder said:

Hang about. Did he ever or very seldom play any of those players in their favoured positions. NO he didnt. Again how many times was it said on here, square pegs in round holes. Anyone of those players you have mentioned were capable matchwinners if they had been used better by Moore. Yes Moore is nice guy but not very tactically aware and doesnt have a contingency plan. Corbeanu for starters must have thought, wheres he going to play me next. Wolves saw through it thats why they pulled him  from Wednesday. A tad embarrashing at the time.

You do realise Wolves utilise their wingers as wing-backs right? 

 

Jota, Podence, Neto, Traore. All have fitted seamlessly at wing-back for Wolves. It's a moot point to make when if he's going to break into Wolves' team, he needs to familiarise himself in that role.

 

Even more of a moot point when you consider the fact that Corbeanu featured less for MK Dons than he did us. 

 

He just wasn't good enough. He showed that when we played MK and Palmer and Hutch bullied him out of the game. 

[Guest Musttryharder]

56 minutes ago, HootHoot said:

You do realise Wolves utilise their wingers as wing-backs right? 

 

Jota, Podence, Neto, Traore. All have fitted seamlessly at wing-back for Wolves. It's a moot point to make when if he's going to break into Wolves' team, he needs to familiarise himself in that role.

 

Even more of a moot point when you consider the fact that Corbeanu featured less for MK Dons than he did us. 

 

He just wasn't good enough. He showed that when we played MK and Palmer and Hutch bullied him out of the game. 

'You do realise Wolves utilise their wingers as wing backs right'. Whats your point. I suppose its a moot point that I personally dont believe DM had a clue where to play him. So in a handful of games you came to the conclusion Corbeanu wasnt good enough. I think you may find that could  be a moot point with some of the posters on her including myself. But im sure you know what your on about. Your also right it took two Wednesday players to bully him out of the game. Any other games you would like to refer to or is that it for this evening. I could give a dozen matches on that basis where Bannan, Gregory, Louongo werent good enough. But i suppose thats a moot point.

[The coach]

9 hours ago, akbuk said:

He did on many occasions 

He sure did..we wer 2 up at Wimbledon...he changed things and we drew 2 - 2

[victorturner]

On 16/06/2022 at 11:26, Pulcinella said:

 

He had to find a system that worked for the players he had.

But he insisted on 4-2-3-1 as soon as he arrived and seemed not to realise that it expects an awful lot of the sole striker/ centre forward. Wing back also needs exceptional players to fill the role . He seems fascinated by (changing ) systems and changing the team even if there has been a victory.

[quinnssweetshop]

20 hours ago, Roscoe P. Coltrane said:

Why complicate the game 

It's league one 

Forest Green not PSG FFS...

Exactly. 

All we want is a win and to not concede in the last minutes to lose points. 

 

Wonder what Jack Charlton would have thought about all this 80llox today? 

[Pulcinella]

5 hours ago, victorturner said:

But he insisted on 4-2-3-1 as soon as he arrived and seemed not to realise that it expects an awful lot of the sole striker/ centre forward. Wing back also needs exceptional players to fill the role . He seems fascinated by (changing ) systems and changing the team even if there has been a victory.

You put your best foot forward and if that doesn’t work you try something else.

 

As for changing systems once he found something that worked, you analyse the opposition and tweak accordingly.

[Morepork]

We saw plenty of evidence last season that we need to be more tactically flexible so I won’t bash the manager for acknowledging it.

 

That being said I will need convincing that Moore himself is capable of said flexibility. We recruited for a formation we simply couldn’t get to function and almost out of necessity stumbled on one that did work. In essence his plan A failed and plan B was almost an accident……..

 

We faired well enough against teams that tried to play, less so against those that seek to spoil. That will be even more prevalent next season in my view so it’s imperative we know how we’re going to combat that.

[Geörge Whitebread]

Interesting way to announce his resignation.

[Owls2k]

On 17/06/2022 at 08:18, Quickly Kevin said:

 

Clear and obtainable objective? The first time I've seen someone take a line from a work review document to a post on here and its so so cringey 

 

Last pre season started with the possibility of going down again likely. We ended up with 85 points and an agonising play off defeat. Hardly a dreadful season and our form from Jan was brillant

 

 

What the actual f*ck could Moore do about Hutchs brain freeze? Wise up. And their second goal was individual sloppy play and hardly Moores fault.

 

The fact is he has come out to address a weakness yet all some do is snipe. If he didnt address it they would snipe.

 

Yes clear and obtainable objective. That's why all players and staff were talking about finishing top, it wasn't unreasonable whatsoever with the players we had, loads of Championship experience and 2 or 3 with Premier League appearances. Yet 9 months later the same manager says in an interview that finishing 4th and still being in this division was a successful season, I'm not having that I'm afraid. 

 

Our captain's interview after the Sunderland match branded the season a failure and he even suggested we should have been in the top two. He's absolutely correct - fair play to him. 

 

Poor start to the season. Too many limp performances away from home. Bizarre tinkering with the side. Struggling to defend set plays.

 

Much better in the second half of the season but still worrying signs of poor defending and no show away displays that need to be eradicated.

 

In the end out thought and performed by a better manager over 2 play off games, where our side conceded 2 comedy goals. But that's what you get when a promotion rival bites the bullet and brings in a manger with a Premier League promotion on his CV, and that's after many on here scoffed at their decision to bring Neil in. Well, he was the difference in the end.

 

As for the points total, agreed decent (in a dreadful division btw) but a bit of a red herring - it just indicates a lopsided division in terms of quality. 

 

If judging a manager on the performance of his side as a paying punter is sniping then call me Wesley Snipes. Maybe don't get too hysterical when someone has a difference view to your own.