Popular Post areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2022 There's been a fair bit of discussion on here recently about what formation(s) we might see next season. Well, Dom Howson has just posted a Q+A piece in which he's given his take on the matter: "I understand Moore plans on sticking with a 3-5-2 formation. Wednesday are recruiting players to fit into that shape. "But Moore wants Wednesday to be more tactically flexible next season. The plan is for them to be able to smoothly switch from a 3-5-2 to 4-2-3-1. It is why Moore is keen on bolstering the wide positions. Anderson, Wilks and Mendez-Laing would certainly fit better into a 4-2-3-1 system than 3-5-2." Personally, I'm not surprised in the slightest if that's the case. We clearly shouldn't ditch the 3-5-2 which worked so well at times season, but if you look at our from since switching to that formation, it didn't serve us all that well on the road: There's definite room for improvement there if we have serious designs on automatic promotion next season, and it seems tactical flexibility might be one of the areas Moore's targeting for improvement. After all, as I posted on here the other week, they've just watched Wigan win the division by being tactically flexible and adapting their approach on a game-by-game basis at times. Their starting formations during last season were: 4-2-3-1: 25 games 3-4-1-2: 8 games 3-4-2-1: 5 games 4-4-2: 4 games 3-5-2: 2 games 4-3-3: 1 game 3-1-4-2: 1 game Whilst they clearly had a favoured formation, they still started with something different in 46% of their matches, which is something we might need to be prepared to do in order to face up to the different challenges our opponents will pose over the course of the season. And of course, having the option to change systems mid-game if something isn't working could be huge too, especially now that we'll be allowed to make five changes. If Moore and his team have identified a more flexible approach as a way they think they can eek out those marginal gains which would make all the difference in the final reckoning, then that seems sensible enough to me. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alanharper Posted June 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2022 If only Daz had been more tactically flexible last season... 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Moore wants Wednesday to be more tactically flexible next season. He must have been really frustrated the way the team kept playing last season. If only he could have influenced the tactics in some way when Plan A wasn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 16, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, alanharper said: If only Daz had been more tactically flexible last season... Did we have the players to adopt different formations last season, though? Once it became clear that Gregory wasn't great as a lone forward, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 were pretty much off the table, weren't they? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulcinella Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, alanharper said: If only Daz had been more tactically flexible last season... He had to find a system that worked for the players he had. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Did we have the players to adopt different formations last season, though? Once it became clear that Gregory wasn't great as a lone forward, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 were pretty much off the table, weren't they? Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, alanharper said: If only Daz had been more tactically flexible last season... That's why he changed the system to suit players available! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneManBand Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Err, yeah Darren, that's your job. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Asio otus said: That's why he changed the system to suit players available! And why we had such a great run second half of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Did we have the players to adopt different formations last season, though? Once it became clear that Gregory wasn't great as a lone forward, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 were pretty much off the table, weren't they? It was more about being tactically inflexible during games. Numerous times, we either struggled from the off, or the opposing managers made tactical changes that we/he just couldn't react to. Moore pretty much had no plan B, all he tended to do was change the strikers jeep the same system and hope it worked out - occasionally it did (Donny away), other times it didn't and made him look a bit daft (Wycombe away). 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I think we keep what worked from last year and recruit to that, with an eye on plan B when necessary. Considering the new substitution rule, now much easier to be tactically flexible given we can change half the outfield players during a game. Should suit clubs with larger squads to positively affect or manage games. Our recruitment is looking good so far, addressing the weaknesses from last year and look forward to seeing how we line up come the first game of the season. Hopefully a strong starting 11 with plenty of options from the bench. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Not really. 'Not really' to which part of my post? We didn't have the players to suit different formations, or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 weren't off the table? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quickly Kevin Posted June 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2022 Moore looking to work on a flaw from last season is a positive. There is no need to snipe about last season etc. Lets hope our signings allow for it and it stops us dropping crucial points. It would be annoying if he wasn't working on it. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 minute ago, alanharper said: It was more about being tactically inflexible during games. Numerous times, we either struggled from the off, or the opposing managers made tactical changes that we/he just couldn't react to. Moore pretty much had no plan B, all he tended to do was change the strikers jeep the same system and hope it worked out - occasionally it did (Donny away), other times it didn't and made him look a bit daft (Wycombe away). We didn't have a great deal of effective options within the squad though, did we? If we wanted to adopt a 4-2-3-1 away at Wycombe, who would we have played as the '1'? Who would have been our fullbacks and our wide midfielders? I suppose we could have cobbled something like this together... Peacock-Farrell Palmer Storey Dunkley Johnson Luongo Dele Bashiru Mendez-Laing Bannan Shodipo Gregory ...but I can understand why he might not have fancied that. If we're recruiting for more than one system next season, then hopefully we'll be in a position to transition between both options without significantly weakening our team. If we can pull it off, then it can only be a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymae's Dad Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 todays news...tomorrows chip paper when we're 3 nil down at some tin pot club on a rainy night in feb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Said in another post to think we can just pick up where we left off last season will be naive luongo and hunt haven’t signed yet and if they go that leaves our back 7 ( luongo as DM ) all needing replacing except Johnson it’s more than 50 % of the squad so we are literally starting again Now consider the nee 5 sub rule allegedly coming into play the extra two bodies will massively enable teams to change formation and tactics teams have tried this in the past but the extra two bodies will really help quite often you see managers waiting until the 60th-70th minute to change a game but now they can make two subs at half time and a further 3 later on the tactics will have completely changed we’ve all seen how a sub can change a game now imagine two at halftime with a formation change and team talk behind them the ability to be able to react and change formation on the pitch and off the bench is going to be huge for me any match day squad with the use of 5 subs should be able to play at least 5 fluent formations no longer are managers going to delay making that change and use them for late tactic changes or fatigue they will make them at g as of time looking at the players that moore is rumoured to be looking at Anderson smith wilks and he’s bought in stockdale I’d be surprised if we don’t use a quick long direct ball stockdale was known last season for releasing the ball early and starting counter attacks both short and direct and we’re adding pace and hold up play at the top of the pitch Next season is going to interesting to see how everyone managers the new rule changes and how it effects the game 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 47 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: 'Not really' to which part of my post? We didn't have the players to suit different formations, or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 weren't off the table? I was agreeing with you, if that helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: I was agreeing with you, if that helps. Cool. I wasn't sure! I think Moore's hands were tied to a certain extent last season, as we didn't have the players available to make other formations work nearly as well as 3-5-2. Going forward though, he clearly wants to address that, which can only be a good thing. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Cool. I wasn't sure! I think Moore's hands were tied to a certain extent last season, as we didn't have the players available to make other formations work nearly as well as 3-5-2. Going forward though, he clearly wants to address that, which can only be a good thing. He signed a shed-load of players that didn't fit his system, Corbeanu, Shodipo, NML - those wages could have gone elsewhere, or another formation could have been used, one that involves the abundance of wingers in the squad - a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 (with Gregory flanked by 2 of the wingers). To say he didn't have options is simply untrue - he chose not to use them. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Sounds good in practice. I remain uncertain whether DM can successfully implement it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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