McRightSide Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Dawson and Wildsmith have always been crap. Nothing to do with coaching, they’re just not good enough to play as a number one for us. The only reason they got as much rope as they did is the old academy graduates tag. To anyone able to view impartially it was clear they were well short of the required standard in the Championship, especially Wildsmith 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 if i was a manager of a league 2 club looking for promotion would i sign either of these on loan from us? the answer would be no , 1 of them at best would be a back up keeper / neither have progressed if anything they have gone backwards. both in my book are 1 mistake from getting loads of flack from the stands , dawsons last game in front of crowds he suffered a load of abuse at brentford and wildsmith is possibly even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Blatter said: Always felt that Dawson was marginally the better of the two. Is more vocal and has the physique to command his area better. Sadly though neither have progressed and seem prone to serious lapses of concentration. We do leak soft goals with either but whether it’s down to coaching is hard to judge. Not sure about the Andy Rhodes factor, perhaps it’s more to do with payment of wages and the general mood in the camp. Either way we do need a new Keeper if we’re serious about putting a team together capable of promotion any time soon. Too many times we’ve seen heads drop when we concede a single goal and with our lack of proven strikers to score a few to get back on terms this must be a priority. payment of wages? is that there excuse for having butter fingers? no way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 It’s a shame but they are both utter rubbish goalkeepers. I’m sure at one stage it looked like one or the other might make it but sometimes players just don’t improve. I’d honestly be surprised if either of them makes it back into the Championship with any other club. Stranger things have happened of course but I just don’t think they can be coached into shape. New keeper needed ASAP I’m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marro Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 We need a new No.1 keeper. Personally I don’t rate Dawson or Wildsmith. A move away would probably do them good to kick start their careers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Had their chances, not good enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlinOldham Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Both Dawson and Wildsmith appear to very much be confidence type players, but each in a different way. Dawson appears at times to be very self confident in his abilities, which means the big holes in his game never actually get addressed by him. Wildsmith on the other hand just seems to drain of any and all ability he has as soon as he makes an error. Can literally watch his confidence desert him in a game after a goal goes in. Both at times seem to lack the basics of goalkeeping. Positioning, kicking, communication, coming for crosses. These shouldnt be issues that still need addressing in any keeper at 25 and 26 years old. They technically coming into the begining of their peak years at this age and still the basics are missing or not being done. Sadly they aint kids no more and the time for them being ones for the future etc, has been and gone for them both. New number 1 for me and we just keep whichever of these 2 is paid the least for a backup/bench warmer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Shetland Owl said: Both have been given chances by various managers and neither have proved themselves But now we have a new coach so lets hope he can craete a change of fortune. I can see Dawson being the back up keeper with Wildsmith going out on loan And who is goin to be ringin us up everyday to take wildsmith on loan..a keeper we judge notgood enough for league 1...so many people on here say players need to go on loan..SOMEBODY HAS TO WANT OUR RUBBISH...stop sayin ‘send them out on loan’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSN SYSOP Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: Signing a new number one is the most important business we can do this summer imo. That and a quality one with a quality striker for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 hours ago, McRightSide said: Dawson and Wildsmith have always been crap. Nothing to do with coaching, they’re just not good enough to play as a number one for us. The only reason they got as much rope as they did is the old academy graduates tag. To anyone able to view impartially it was clear they were well short of the required standard in the Championship, especially Wildsmith Even so, if they have both gone backwards since Rhodes left that tells you we have a major problem in the coaching department that needs to be addressed. Not defending either of the keepers here, just saying that we have a deeper rooted problem in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSN SYSOP Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Gianluigi Donnarumma is an Italian professional footballer who plays as a goalkeeper for the Italy national team. Currently a free agent, he most recently played for Serie A club Milan.wonder if he'd fancy Fleetwood Town away on a cold December night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Utah Owl said: Even so, if they have both gone backwards since Rhodes left that tells you we have a major problem in the coaching department that needs to be addressed. Not defending either of the keepers here, just saying that we have a deeper rooted problem in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest REDAs_biG_piECE Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 One is a chocolate fireguard The other is a road cone If we play the season with either of these pair in goal we’ll need to score 3/4 goals a game to stand a chance of winning if not relegation again Awful awful keepers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethman75 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 They are as bad as each other, it's critical we get a better keeper if we plan to go for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Roy Of The Roasters said: If they're making mistakes, they're going to make exactly the same mistakesin League 1. The goals must be smaller in league 1, nothing else can make sense of the claim that these 2 goalies would somehow be ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Utah Owl said: What worries me is that if our keepers have gone backwards since we lost Andy Rhodes, then obviously there has to be a huge question mark over that aspect of the coaching set up. Needs to be addressed first and foremost otherwise GK is going to be a major problem for us no matter who is between the sticks. I would imagine that’s the reason we’ve just appointed a new goalkeeping coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 15 hours ago, TbagMcgraw said: For me personally, i'd rather see them both moved on, but due to Dawsons overly inflated wages I think we're lumbered with him How much is he on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbagMcgraw Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, fpowl said: How much is he on? Not sure pal, but someone said about £12k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I'd be more inclined to keep Dawson over Wildsmith - think his time is up here, Dawson has a short chance to improve under Basso now and try and seize his chance but I'd absolutely be looking to sign an established stopper at this level I would have suggested Jordan Archer but he's signed for QPR or Boro is it? There's a few others that probably have more experience in goal but I don't know what they are are like .. Paolo Gazziniga Marcus Bettinelli Orjan Nyland Kristoffer Nordfelt Jamal Blackman Ryan Allsop Luke Daniels Daniel Rogers Jonathon Mitchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbagMcgraw Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hack-Abusi said: I'd be more inclined to keep Dawson over Wildsmith - think his time is up here, Dawson has a short chance to improve under Basso now and try and seize his chance but I'd absolutely be looking to sign an established stopper at this level I would have suggested Jordan Archer but he's signed for QPR or Boro is it? There's a few others that probably have more experience in goal but I don't know what they are are like .. Paolo Gazziniga Marcus Bettinelli Orjan Nyland Kristoffer Nordfelt Jamal Blackman Ryan Allsop Luke Daniels Daniel Rogers Jonathon Mitchell Daniels and Blackman would be good shouts to be fair. Think Blackman made a few blunders last season and lost his place for Rotherham, but definitely a more imposing and dominant stature than our two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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