COVID-19 player wage reductions

[room0035]

The whole issue of furlough footballers is the club's furloughing their staff like the tea lady, the receptionist, the people who work in the store to the staff in the office.

 

but the footballer on £20,000 - £30,000 a week is sat at home on full pay and the club needs government funding to pay non playing staff, but has plenty to pay millions each month to their players.

 

this is what weeing people off. The none playing staff are probably less than 10% of our wage bill. So pay everyone or furlough everyone.

 

footballer on the whole don t give a sh it about normal folk. And those in charge like the EFL treat us like the mugs too, an investigation that started 4 months ago is now going to drag to July. Do they know Fessi is out of contract so they cannot ban him anymore games.

[leicesterowl]

Agreed - it seems like the players are happy to kick this into the long grass in the hope they don't need to contribute anything

 

The EPL have managed a great job of smoke and mirrors by putting forwards the captains proposal - but there are no details of what is being contributed - only soundbites by numerous of the captains saying what a great idea it is

 

It seems to me simply a means of taking the heat out of what was becoming an uncomfortable situation for the mega earners

 

if the PFA were so concerned about the loss of tax to the NHS as they claimed - how about each prem player contributing 30% after tax to the NHS - win/win

 

I have no issue with players saying it is none of our business what (if anything) they contribute - but it seems that they want the kudos of making contributions whilst firmly keeping their hands in their pockets 

 

 

 

[james o connor]

To be honest , after the gutless dross we’ve witnessed this season, our lot shouldn’t even be on a wage . The aforementioned £2500 is considerably more than they are worth 

[flo]

Could footballers say they are still working if they have a gym/fitness equipment at home? As that is kind of what they do at training. 

[swfcGibbo]

12 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

If footballers are expected to then every employee of every company should from bankers to footballers to TV personalities to Rock Stars 

It's not an expectation. TV Personalities and Rock Stars are typically self employed and are still making money so that doesn't really make sense?

The furlough system is for businesses whose revenue has been hit by the virus and is a way to retain staff members while taking the financial impact away from the business; surely Football comes into this category whereas a bank is still likely to be profitable?

It doesn't come down to expectations but if the football clubs revenue has been slashed considerably then surely it's not within the realms of possibility that football clubs can do this? I believe some of the lower league clubs have done.

 

[matthefish2002]

Got a feeling PFA / EFL will announce players will defer 25-30% of wages. Which is basically a PR exercise as the players will still get full pay just wait a few months for some of it.

 

Players and clubs are always quick enough to virtue signal about latest fashionable cause but when it comes to making a real sacrifice they are strangely silent.

Think same with TV personalities and rock stars etc.

[31Dec1966]

14 hours ago, matthefish2002 said:

Got a feeling PFA / EFL will announce players will defer 25-30% of wages. Which is basically a PR exercise as the players will still get full pay just wait a few months for some of it.

 

Players and clubs are always quick enough to virtue signal about latest fashionable cause but when it comes to making a real sacrifice they are strangely silent.

Think same with TV personalities and rock stars etc.

Agree with all that.  I think fans, many of whom have lost everything are getting sick and tired of it 

[Dick_Turpin]

15 hours ago, swfcGibbo said:

It's not an expectation. TV Personalities and Rock Stars are typically self employed and are still making money so that doesn't really make sense?

The furlough system is for businesses whose revenue has been hit by the virus and is a way to retain staff members while taking the financial impact away from the business; surely Football comes into this category whereas a bank is still likely to be profitable?

It doesn't come down to expectations but if the football clubs revenue has been slashed considerably then surely it's not within the realms of possibility that football clubs can do this? I believe some of the lower league clubs have done.

 

A lot of self employed people are making no money at all and many fall through the cracks in Government support schemes. 

 

[Guest LondonOwl313]

16 hours ago, swfcGibbo said:

It's not an expectation. TV Personalities and Rock Stars are typically self employed and are still making money so that doesn't really make sense?

The furlough system is for businesses whose revenue has been hit by the virus and is a way to retain staff members while taking the financial impact away from the business; surely Football comes into this category whereas a bank is still likely to be profitable?

It doesn't come down to expectations but if the football clubs revenue has been slashed considerably then surely it's not within the realms of possibility that football clubs can do this? I believe some of the lower league clubs have done.

 

Most bankers, the ones Neil who is talking about who earn a fortune, merchant not retail.. will be working from home so still getting paid to do their job. However with everything that’s going on activity will be down a lot so bonus pools will be non existent. More than half of bankers pay is in bonuses usually so they will be taking a pay cut because of that 

 

Would also say that most people in finance don’t earn 6 figures.. the ones that earn hundreds of thousands or millions are a pretty small percentage of total employees

[Daz]

We really need to use this break as a reset.

 

Let’s get back to financial reality on player wages even if other clubs don’t. Pay what we can afford and let big earners go. I’d rather watch young hungry players trying their best and giving 100% every game rather than expensive ‘names’ who throw their toys out of the pram, can’t be bothered to close players down and who offer no support after they have picked out a pass. Let’s see energy and bomb forward in attack, while being determined to get back to defend in numbers. They are fit so attitude can get them supporting the attack and getting back to defend. I honestly believe we will win more than we lose, particularly if this reset involves our expectations as fans. There’s too much tension for ‘success’ even though ‘success’ is trying to survive in the Premier League, playing more often than not on the back foot and hoping we don’t get embarrassed. Is that what we are all uptight about and striving for - making up the numbers with expensive journeymen footballers?

 

I wanted that, but not any more. Let’s make it affordable, fun, and let’s support young players who are prepared to put a shift in and who don’t play with fear and the weight of quick expectation on their shoulders. Some will do well and while others might not be quite up to the mark, at least they won’t be expensive mistakes e.g. Abdi, Rhodes etc. We will find our level and by investing in young players and getting behind them, we might sell one or two gems in due course and begin to reinvest our own money again.

 

Hillsborough can can be a formidable place for opponents when we are all together and believing in the project. And it can be fun. For the last couple of seasons, it has felt like the noose has been tightening - financially, tactics/performances and tension in the stands. 

 

Time to use this as a catalyst to rediscover our roots and the values we stand for. 

[soldierboyblue]

7 hours ago, Daz said:

We really need to use this break as a reset.

 

Let’s get back to financial reality on player wages even if other clubs don’t. Pay what we can afford and let big earners go. I’d rather watch young hungry players trying their best and giving 100% every game rather than expensive ‘names’ who throw their toys out of the pram, can’t be bothered to close players down and who offer no support after they have picked out a pass. Let’s see energy and bomb forward in attack, while being determined to get back to defend in numbers. They are fit so attitude can get them supporting the attack and getting back to defend. I honestly believe we will win more than we lose, particularly if this reset involves our expectations as fans. There’s too much tension for ‘success’ even though ‘success’ is trying to survive in the Premier League, playing more often than not on the back foot and hoping we don’t get embarrassed. Is that what we are all uptight about and striving for - making up the numbers with expensive journeymen footballers?

 

I wanted that, but not any more. Let’s make it affordable, fun, and let’s support young players who are prepared to put a shift in and who don’t play with fear and the weight of quick expectation on their shoulders. Some will do well and while others might not be quite up to the mark, at least they won’t be expensive mistakes e.g. Abdi, Rhodes etc. We will find our level and by investing in young players and getting behind them, we might sell one or two gems in due course and begin to reinvest our own money again.

 

Hillsborough can can be a formidable place for opponents when we are all together and believing in the project. And it can be fun. For the last couple of seasons, it has felt like the noose has been tightening - financially, tactics/performances and tension in the stands. 

 

Time to use this as a catalyst to rediscover our roots and the values we stand for. 

Nice sentiment but pie in the sky. If we didn’t try and push on there would be even more of a meltdown in our fan base than we currently have.

[Hirstys_12th_Pint]

Roma players have agreed to no pay for 4 Months.

 

 

[Daz]

19 hours ago, soldierboyblue said:

Nice sentiment but pie in the sky. If we didn’t try and push on there would be even more of a meltdown in our fan base than we currently have.

 

I’m not saying we can’t have ambition, but we can’t chase a dream on borrowed money, paying wages we can’t afford, breaching FFP and charging prices fans can’t afford. It will only lead to a bigger meltdown than any of us can imagine. At some point, reality has to set in.

 

It also doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted either, as those across the city did so on a modest budget but with great organization and players who didn’t cost them an FFP charge.

 

Whether we like it or not, we are just another casualty of chasing the dream by spending beyond our means and at some point, people need to look at the writing on the wall, much as it might be hard for many to do so.

 

 

[hopevalleyowl]

On 18/04/2020 at 16:01, 0114 said:

Don’t understand why players can’t be furloughed along with the rest of people who can’t currently work. 

Started a thread on this, some said it was immoral, seems like common sense to me

[Harrysgame]

On 18/04/2020 at 16:15, bladeshater said:

Do really think these players will live on£2400 a month

One of their cars would cost that per month.

[Harrysgame]

39 minutes ago, hopevalleyowl said:

Started a thread on this, some said it was immoral, seems like common sense to me

Probably because they have a set term contract that says we will pay you X for 2 years etc and the player the  pays his agent etc etc. Could be done though.

[Avon barksdale]

We have that many players out of contract in 2 months it may well provide a problem getting them to agree a pay cut. 

[modboy]

On 20/04/2020 at 00:03, Daz said:

We really need to use this break as a reset.

 

Let’s get back to financial reality on player wages even if other clubs don’t. Pay what we can afford and let big earners go. I’d rather watch young hungry players trying their best and giving 100% every game rather than expensive ‘names’ who throw their toys out of the pram, can’t be bothered to close players down and who offer no support after they have picked out a pass. Let’s see energy and bomb forward in attack, while being determined to get back to defend in numbers. They are fit so attitude can get them supporting the attack and getting back to defend. I honestly believe we will win more than we lose, particularly if this reset involves our expectations as fans. There’s too much tension for ‘success’ even though ‘success’ is trying to survive in the Premier League, playing more often than not on the back foot and hoping we don’t get embarrassed. Is that what we are all uptight about and striving for - making up the numbers with expensive journeymen footballers?

 

I wanted that, but not any more. Let’s make it affordable, fun, and let’s support young players who are prepared to put a shift in and who don’t play with fear and the weight of quick expectation on their shoulders. Some will do well and while others might not be quite up to the mark, at least they won’t be expensive mistakes e.g. Abdi, Rhodes etc. We will find our level and by investing in young players and getting behind them, we might sell one or two gems in due course and begin to reinvest our own money again.

 

Hillsborough can can be a formidable place for opponents when we are all together and believing in the project. And it can be fun. For the last couple of seasons, it has felt like the noose has been tightening - financially, tactics/performances and tension in the stands. 

 

Time to use this as a catalyst to rediscover our roots and the values we stand for. 

 

bit like Sheff Utd did.

 

100% would accept the club putting a wage cap on the club and charging half the price (or less) to attend - though its looking like it could be 2021 before stadiums open anyhow.

 

Get back to the true meaning of football. 

[Lombardo]

1 hour ago, hopevalleyowl said:

Started a thread on this, some said it was immoral, seems like common sense to me

Govt needs as much tax income as possible. Make them pay more tax on their FULL wages....

Referrring to all PL clubs and most Champ clubs of course.

 

Many lower league clubs would need to Furlough if they haven't already, just to survive.

[We are all Wednesday]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-chris-kamara-says-its-outrageous-that-footballers-are-asked-to-take-wage-cuts-11981797

 

"Kammy" seems as out of touch as most footballers - oh well, it is our choice whether we continue to pay ridiculous ticket prices - and when the clubs rally supporters we can just say "we are doing our little bit" for our finances. Hate this side of football, so rotten and selfish.

 

Still, what does he care as he is getting paid for a betting ad!!

Edited May 1, 2020 by We are all Wednesday