casbahowl Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, torryowl said: if clubs ditch there youth set up where then do the 10- 16 year olds go to learn the game .? Non league & lower league......... just like they have for the past hundred years or so ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, casbahowl said: Non league & lower league......... just like they have for the past hundred years or so ! I thought the thinking by introducing the academies was (flawed) to get the young players to be better coached so as to strengthen the England team ………. the odd few may have but not many players who started out at non league level made the England team in any era ….I still think the county school, apprenticeship,youth league.central league is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, torryowl said: I thought the thinking by introducing the academies was (flawed) to get the young players to be better coached so as to strengthen the England team ………. the odd few may have but not many players who started out at non league level made the England team in any era ….I still think the county school, apprenticeship,youth league.central league is the way to go. I agree pal but I think more and more clubs will go the Brentford/Huddersfield route rather than invest squillions into academies only to see the cream of their talent whom they’ve coached/nurtured from 8 years old have their head turned by a PL club at the last minute for a pittance and then to be loaned out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 19/06/2018 at 13:56, Dave DJ said: Will we get a tribunal for George Hirst and/or Sean Clare? Could get a few bob from them if so Im sure we will get a massive windfall from those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, CLswfc said: Im sure we will get a massive windfall from those two. Doesn't the compensation go on how long the player has been at the club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Doesn't the compensation go on how long the player has been at the club ? We will get next to nothing for Clare only been with us two years - Developed by Charlton then released and we picked up from the Nike Academy, GH could have been a decent some but not playing for a full season will massively affect what we would have got and we need to find a buyer for both or we will get nought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 We could try increasing the academy to the highest level, I think we are 1 level below. That way we would get more in compensation and we could knick players from lower rated clubs academies. If you can't beat them .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Don't see the point in going for Cat 1 - especially now as the next cycle of audits starting next season will be based on new criteria It doubles the outlay per season - it doesn't increase compensation necessarily but it does increase the standard tariff fee applicable for players Also, we can "nick" players from other academies now - we just have to get the player to agree to sign and then we stump up the cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) perhaps if scouts at swfc went out further than Sheffield they might do something of note took me ages to get em out to see my lad and loads of phonecalls in doing so yet scouts from other teams from the prem downwards turned up at games unannounced every other week ,ours wouldn't budge further than Retford or gainsborough , and even then had to have theire arms twisted Edited June 20, 2018 by trevdi9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor Sam Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Alphonso Davies sold to Bayern Munich $22 million usd. https://www.peninsulanewsreview.com/sports/bayern-munich-completes-transfer-for-canadian-star-alphonso-davies/ Russian Warship.... Go fxxk yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 On 19/06/2018 at 12:40, jambler said: Looks brilliant from what I have seen mate. Can't disagree with you there. Whitecaps are my second team, so I have watched Davies a fair bit (more than Alvarez). I was thinking more young and hungry. And cheap! Kudos to you for spotting the talent. Not it so much on guessing the value of the player! Alvarez still to make a contribution with LA Galaxy, would love to see us take a look whilst he’s still somewhat under the radar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor Sam Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 @jambler @McRightSide @The Dukeries Owl Did you see Davies this weekend ? Scored 2 and 2 assists: Only 17 ! https://theprovince.com/sports/soccer/mls/vancouver-whitecaps/alphonso-davies-pays-the-price-for-his-dazzling-display-vs-loons scroll down for video 1 Russian Warship.... Go fxxk yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 57 minutes ago, Señor Sam said: @jambler @McRightSide @The Dukeries Owl Did you see Davies this weekend ? Scored 2 and 2 assists: Only 17 ! https://theprovince.com/sports/soccer/mls/vancouver-whitecaps/alphonso-davies-pays-the-price-for-his-dazzling-display-vs-loons scroll down for video Cant wait to see how he does in European football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambler Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 8 hours ago, Señor Sam said: @jambler @McRightSide @The Dukeries Owl Did you see Davies this weekend ? Scored 2 and 2 assists: Only 17 ! https://theprovince.com/sports/soccer/mls/vancouver-whitecaps/alphonso-davies-pays-the-price-for-his-dazzling-display-vs-loons scroll down for video He's going to be some player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 19/06/2018 at 13:06, room0035 said: After seeing that Norwich look to be getting over £20m for selling a player they sign last season for only £3m and Coventry will get 10% of the deal for a sell on clause. Are we looking at the whole FFP wrongly should we be looking for gems from league 1 and 2 who we can develop into better players then in a few season sell them on at a big profit - you only need one or two to improve to basically cover any shortfall in FFP that we might have, not to mention these player may even push the club forward. So you the knowledge of owls talk which players currently in league 1 and 2 should we be taking a punt on. If we put aside the inconvenient truth, that we can't afford any lower league gems atm ... Ipswich are just one club gambling on this idea, this season Selling Webster £4mil Waghorn £8mil Buying / Loaning Ellis Harrison Gwion Edwards Jordan Roberts Trevoh Chalobah Curtis Tilt Conor Townsend Kayden Jackson Janoi Donacien Should we sell our only valuable asset (FF) and reinvest in the bargain bin? The problem we'd have, is we never manage to sell high and most of the 'gems' have probably been tapped & snapped, in the last 2 months Maybe next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e6owl Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I think Winnall was/is our hidden gem. We got him for pretty much nothing (only £500k) and if he'd kept form and hadn't got injured at Derby last year we would've been able to sell him on for a tidy profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandrewchaz Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) I'd be interested in scouting Prem youngster who get released for eg Brunt, Whelan and..... Brooks for the dark side. Edited July 31, 2018 by Dandrewchaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 It’s like hunting for valuable antiques in charity shops, it never happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 20/06/2018 at 22:23, scram said: Don't see the point in going for Cat 1 - especially now as the next cycle of audits starting next season will be based on new criteria It doubles the outlay per season - it doesn't increase compensation necessarily but it does increase the standard tariff fee applicable for players Also, we can "nick" players from other academies now - we just have to get the player to agree to sign and then we stump up the cash Spending on youth setups doesn't count towards FFP I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) It’s a part of the market we haven’t made the most of IMO. We need to be looking at younger players as well as calculated buys of proven quality. Bayliss and Shipley are two young cm players at Coventry who looked very handy in the playoffs. If we liked Shaun Clare they are both rangy and can get a goal. Coventry also need money so anything around 1m they usually sell. Bristol City and Ipswich have both signed promising strikers from league 2 and McNulty made the move up. Edited July 31, 2018 by Bluesteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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