torryowl Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 big jack, wilko,and fat ron are the standouts for me ,,,carlos is in the level below along with megson and sturrock .,,,,,,,,with the resources he's had i'd expect him to get us where we are and fair play to him he hasn't disappointed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, Warnocchio said: Yes the Internet does make a difference as evidenced by your post. Unless you actually can remember all of that! I'm almost 50! Much of the dross after 1998 has faded in my mind. But the big ron era is pretty indelible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sl-OWL-ly Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 14 hours ago, Owls-Ya-Doin said: Beat Arsenal 3-0 he's doing something right! Potentially playoffs twice 2 seasons running! If we win playoffs them he's up there with RON! He's got a fantastic character I'd like to see him here for many years and build on his success! He aint in Rons shadow, if he'd got us automatic promotion and steered us to winning some silverware he probably should be there but he hasn't.. Seasons still going, if we get promoted and he dun't feck off then he might have sommat. FWIW I think he would keep us up should we get there, then and only then will he be one of our greats.. My bars set, can he meet it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sl-OWL-ly Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 31 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: No...but if we go up and he improves the club and manages to stay in the Prem against the millionaire clubs then yes...because Ron managed it on a fairly level playing field compared to now Erm, it was Francis that improved the club and got us to stay in the top flight, Judas did a runner.. But I still love him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 15 hours ago, TheFoxx said: Won more games this season than Atkinsons promotion season in 91. Time for Carlos to be considered in the same bracket as Ron? No chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWL1969 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Captain Sl-OWL-ly said: Erm, it was Francis that improved the club and got us to stay in the top flight, Judas did a runner.. But I still love him All about opinions, mine would be, we would have won more than the solitary League cup had Big Ron stayed at Hillsborough. Seems incredible to say it now, but maybe even the league title and then the chance to compete in the old European Cup instead of the Eufa cup. Nobody comes near him as both a manager and personality since I remember watching Wednesday. (Big Jack era to present). Loved Big Jack and Wilko but only Ron had me genuinely believing we could not only compete but also beat the big boys on a regular basis. Him and the players from his era till 93 all genuine Wednesday legends IMHO. Edited April 24, 2017 by OWL1969 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Our only major silverware since 1930's and piecing together a bunch of misfits like Phil King, Palmer, Sheridan, Paul Williams, Roly, making Hirst believe he was the best striker in the league. Step forward Big Ron you racist, Judas Koontz! We would have won league in that first season back up I'm sure of it. Dalian would have come back rather than go to Villa etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Lucas Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Captain Sl-OWL-ly said: He aint in Rons shadow, if he'd got us automatic promotion and steered us to winning some silverware he probably should be there but he hasn't.. Seasons still going, if we get promoted and he dun't feck off then he might have sommat. FWIW I think he would keep us up should we get there, then and only then will he be one of our greats.. My bars set, can he meet it? He will smash your bar easy he's part of the Portuguese mafia you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 22 hours ago, HirstWhoScoredIt said: Get a grip! He needs to get us promoted first. And then pick up players of the calibre of Nilsson, Palmer and Sheridan. Then win the League Cup So nearly there And beat Derby oh he did that though didn't he !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 23 hours ago, HirstWhoScoredIt said: Get a grip! He needs to get us promoted first. And then pick up players of the calibre of Nilsson, Palmer and Sheridan. Then win the League Cup So nearly there You forgot to add the relegation from Division 1 in that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southie_Owl Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 9 hours ago, daveyboy66 said: No...but if we go up and he improves the club and manages to stay in the Prem against the millionaire clubs then yes...because Ron managed it on a fairly level playing field compared to now I don't know why but I have a feeling if we did get promoted then Carlos would step aside and leave us on a high. And that it was his task to get us promoted. Especially as his family is still in Portugal and he only seems to stay places for a couple of years BUT, I hope he does stay long term because he's my favourite manager since.. big Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I don't think CC is doing a bad job or anything but with resources given him I would saying he is doing about par. Play offs this season without being that exciting. I am sort of person who get nostalgic about the early 90's team so its Big Ron by a country mile for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Captain Sl-OWL-ly said: Erm, it was Francis that improved the club and got us to stay in the top flight, Judas did a runner.. But I still love him Big Ron massively improved the club. He took over after years of under investment during Wilkinson's reign and then the disastrous period under Eustace. He won our only trophy since 1935. He signed: Nilsson (for just 200K)! Harkes (70k)! Shirtliff (500K) Viv Anderson (free) King (450K) Wilson (200K) Palmer (750K) Sheridan (500K)!! Trevor Francis (free) Dalian Atkinson (450k, sold a year later for 1.7m)!! Williams (600K) Gordon Watson (200K) Pretty much an entire new team of absolute quality for very decent money. If that's not improving the club I have no idea what is. Edited April 24, 2017 by York_Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 8 hours ago, DuttyTeabags said: Our only major silverware since 1930's and piecing together a bunch of misfits like Phil King, Palmer, Sheridan, Paul Williams, Roly, making Hirst believe he was the best striker in the league. Step forward Big Ron you racist, Judas Koontz! We would have won league in that first season back up I'm sure of it. Dalian would have come back rather than go to Villa etc. I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sl-OWL-ly Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, York_Owl said: Big Ron massively improved the club. He took over after years of under investment during Wilkinson's reign and then the disastrous period under Eustace. He won our only trophy since 1935. He signed: Nilsson (for just 200K)! Harkes (70k)! Shirtliff (500K) Viv Anderson (free) King (450K) Wilson (200K) Palmer (750K) Sheridan (500K)!! Trevor Francis (free) Dalian Atkinson (450k, sold a year later for 1.7m)!! Williams (600K) Gordon Watson (200K) Pretty much an entire new team of absolute quality for very decent money. If that's not improving the club I have no idea what is. I don't dissagree with you at all tho how you can remember / find all those fees is beyond me.. We should also remember that whilst those fees look modest by todays standard it was still a lot of money back then, especially for a relegated second division team. Edited April 24, 2017 by Captain Sl-OWL-ly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 And Big Ron wouldn't have blown 1.2m on a goalkeeper we didn't need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 13 hours ago, steveger said: Carlos isn't even a part time racist like big Ron is/was.... Don't know he's got rid of Joao now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elyowl1 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, York_Owl said: Big Ron massively improved the club. He took over after years of under investment during Wilkinson's reign and then the disastrous period under Eustace. He won our only trophy since 1935. He signed: Nilsson (for just 200K)! Harkes (70k)! Shirtliff (500K) Viv Anderson (free) King (450K) Wilson (200K) Palmer (750K) Sheridan (500K)!! Trevor Francis (free) Dalian Atkinson (450k, sold a year later for 1.7m)!! Williams (600K) Gordon Watson (200K) Pretty much an entire new team of absolute quality for very decent money. If that's not improving the club I have no idea what is. We were paying a lot of money out for the time period , English football was on a low No European football and our top players going abroad for far more than English clubs could afford. Wilkinson only a couple of years before had only a fraction of that money hence him leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 50 minutes ago, Captain Sl-OWL-ly said: I don't dissagree with you at all tho how you can remember / find all those fees is beyond me.. We should also remember that whilst those fees look modest by todays standard it was still a lot of money back then, especially for a relegated second division team. That team is imprinted on my mind The fees weren't big amounts even back then. To give it some perspective (and I have had to look this up) Liverpool had a strikeforce of Rush and Beardsley who had cost £2.7m and £1.9m respectively. Arsenal had spent £1.3m on Seaman. Man Utd had spent £2.3m on Pallister, £1.8m on Hughes and £1.5m and £1m on Webb and Ince in midfield and even Southampton had spent £1m on Alan McLoughlin from Swindon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickjj Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Where does Trevor Francis fit in this equation? Took us into Europe, took us to two cup finals in the same season. Not forgetting the players he brought to the club including Chris Waddle and Des Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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