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  1. It was strange for it to come from him, especially as you say considering his career. I believe the WBA lads were also fond of him, the likes of Regis, Cunningham and Moses. I'm pretty certain he was amongst the first group of managers to play the Black lads, that's probably another reason why it was such a shock to hear it from him. I don't believe he's racist, it was a very stupid thing to say whether it was on air on not, but I really think he didn't mean it and used the "N" word without thinking, it was used very often in the 70s and 80s whilst he was involved in football and I believe he just said it unwittingly. It doesn't defend the use of it and certainly doesn't condone it, but you used to hear it and much worse every Match in the 70s and 80s. He said it and got caught and rightly lost his job for it, he's taken the flak and the punishment and I believe it's his biggest regret in life (yes even bigger than walking out on the Mighty Owls).
  2. Tbf I agree with most of what you say, But I think had Ron stayed he would have added more quality to the Team. He had only just started building here, it was obvious from his previous signings he had a great eye for talent (or great scouting system) there's no way he would have been happy knowing that team wasn't quite good enough to compete at the very top table, he would have made his own additions which with his previous record I'm certain would have been quality players. You have to remember we'd just regained our top flight status but had also just won a major trophy and with a manager who would have been able to attract the top players to SWFC, never have our Club been more attractive to players as shown with the signings that Francis got off the back of Ron's success. Just to reiterate I loved both Jack and Wilko as managers but imo Ron was better. As people and certainly regarding loyalty he would lag well behind them, I hated him for a while but time heals (for me anyway) I'm willing to forgive him for wanting to go to his boyhood club (and another huge sleeping giant where he won more trophies). I'm sure he still has feelings for SWFC and leaving us was a genuine hard decision at the time and something he still possibly regrets doing but he had to make that decision for himself. Hypothetically if I was a successful at say Derby (and loved by their Fans) and suddenly my club SWFC (and a slightly bigger club traditionally) came calling I know for a fact it'd be difficult but I'd end up at my Club and my football "home" Hillsborough.
  3. I understand the integrity sentiment BUT one got us Promoted from the 3rd Division and nearly got us Promoted to the 1St Division but couldn't quite get us over the line (we blew it in 82 I think or 83 not sure) got us to a FA Cup Semi Final but again couldn't quite get us over the line (we should have Beaten a poor Brighton side). Whilst playing decent football. He did leave us in a much better state than when he arrived and left the Foundations for Wilko to get us Promoted but by his own admission had got us as far as he could. The other got us Promoted to the 1st Division and Won the League Cup, left a fantastic side that got to 2 more Cup Finals and gained European Football (and which imo under him would have been even better and possibly won more trophies) and played the best football I've ever or im ever likely to see Wednesday Play. In terms of purely Management ability Ron is not only fit to lace Big Jack's boots, but surpasses him (especially in terms of achievement whilst at Wednesday in a much shorter time span). In terms of Footballing ability on the Pitch then yes you're right Ron wasn't fit to lace Jack's boots and he probably has more integrity. But take nothing away from Ron as a manager he was fantastic and also had so much Charisma, I met him at the Rumbelows Cup 25th Anniversary Celebrations and he's a very funny, friendly top bloke. You're still entitled to your opinion, but in terms of Managerial ability I'm sure everyone on here would think you're wrong. UTO!
  4. Such as players we had barely heard of before they signed for us, like Palmer, Atkinson, Williams, Harkes and King etc or players we'd heard of,but who others had deemed either past it or not good enough at the top level like Sheridan and Wilson. He also got the best out of current players like Hirst, Shirtliff and Worthington. I can't recall which category Pearson fell into but he also got the very best out him and made him into a fantastic Captain (and probably helped greatly in influencing his later career as a manager). Getting all these players together is one thing, getting them all playing at the top of their game is another but also having the ability to know how one could compliment the other in many cases ie Worthington/King, Nilsson/ Harkes, Hirst/Williams, Pearson/Shirtliff and most memorably Palmer/Sheridan whilst also building up a tremendous Team spirit is exceptional man management. Top, Top Manager imo.
  5. Best manager we've had in lifetime by a country mile and I rated Big Jack and Wilko. Had he of stayed, I'm sure we would have won much more than the Solitary League Cup his team won us. He signed us some great players and got the best out of them.
  6. Wasn't sure which channel it was on but i do remember the little ditty "Sport with Stuart Linnell, the best in sporting news" As others have said I remember a minute or so visit to each of the Sheffielda clubs matches with even shorter visits to the other local clubs matches around every 15 minutes just for the latest updates.
  7. I've either had a season ticket or worked on the Turnstiles for the last 32 years, missing very few home matches and also going to plenty of away matches. I have to say sadly and quite surprisingly I haven't missed it at all. 20 years ago or longer I would have really missed it and couldn't wait for it to restart but not now. Is that due to the relative state of both Sheffield clubs? Partly maybe But much more depressing for me is that Football in general seems to have its soul and completely sold out to TV Companies and generally Money in general. Some of the wages paid to these so called superstars are disgraceful especially when compared to our NHS staff (Particularly right now, but even prior to the Coronavirus). Football has always generally been the Clubs with most Money are more successful but now more than ever that's the case. It's much more a business than a sport nowadays, clearly shown when finishing 17th in the PL is more important to Clubs than the Glory (still applies to many fans) of winning a Cup Competion. The cost to us of going to watch our team play is also something that riles me, 40 Quid to watch a poor 2nd tier team isn't exactly enticing. The behind closed doors to earn Clubs Tv money boils my wee wee too and it's definetly NOT for the fans benefit and all about the Money. Guess I'm just showing my age, but give me the game of my youth (The 80s) over today's Football anyday. After saying all this I've no doubt I'll be there for our 1st game back with Crowds let in, like many on here im a sucker for punishment. The game and indeed SWFC though do test my patience to the very limit. I do miss the away matches with the lads but that's more about the day and the company than the football.
  8. I remember it very well. It was a few days after he scored the winner at Villa Park in the return match in Big Ron's first season at Villa He came into the place where I worked at the time and just by coincidence during the goal celebrations one of my best mates who I worked with was on the pitch hugging him. Another of my older workmates who served Jemson (pretty sure he purchased a video) asked him if he remembered the guy who hugged him as he worked with us. Jemson replied to all amusement "all I remember is he stunk of Ale". It was after leaving our workplace on his way home that he crashed his car (I've got Worksop area in my head but could wrong). I used to wind my pal up that having seen him, the effect he had on Jemson was that he promptly nearly killed himself.
  9. I remember this well, it was even funnier considering they themselves had planned not 1 but 2 Promotion Parties against both MK and Stevenage. Only for their plans to be scuppered by not just our magnificent victories but also their own ineptitude/ability to gain the 5 points required to gain Promotion from their final 3 games. As always they gob off early only for it to rebound on them and then claim we are arrogant. Anyone recall the anticipated "Boxing Day Massacre" the "Derby that doesn't matter" the "Mind the Gap" all instigated by that lot but they then claim it's us who are arrogant when we turn their boasts against them. As an aside what a Fantastic day this was!!
  10. None, nobody other than Wednesdayites would recognise them. Oh for the days of high profile footballers again.
  11. I really liked him as a kid. I went to the 79/80 Promotion team "do" a few months back, he was pissed but was very funny, was like having Mickey Flanagan there.
  12. I can't remember the goals or the match, but I was there and can remember the teddy Bears. I think this was the 1st or certainly 1 of the first matches where they made an appearance. Remember em being thrown at the commentary box behind the away end. Although I thought it was a nice sunny day, that's probably my memory playing tricks with me.
  13. That's OK then. If your different ethnic groups it fine. But if your opposing fans it's frowned on?
  14. Funny how the memory plays tricks with you. I was at the match and remember Warhurst getting injured but I thought it happened at the Leppings Lane end. Bloody old age!
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